President Trump's Biggest Endorsement

00:00:03 Speaker 1: My name is Charlie kirk I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you'll end up purposeful. 00:00:24 Speaker 2: College is a scam, everybody. 00:00:26 Speaker 1: You got to stop sending your kids to college. 00:00:27 Speaker 2: You should get married as. 00:00:28 Speaker 1: Young as possible and have as many kids as possible. 00:00:31 Speaker 2: Go start at turning point. You would say college chapter. 00:00:33 Speaker 1: Go start at turning point, yould say high school chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. 00:00:37 Speaker 2: Sign up and become an activist. 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Ken Paxton, Vote Ken Paxton. But then some news broke this morning where the President of the United States, President Trump, was speaking with reporters and he says, at twelve thirty Eastern today, so in approximately twenty three minutes, he is going to make an endorsement one way or the other in your for Senate, and I will say it. We love the President, we have his back, but regardless in this instance of the decision he makes turning point action is already endorsed for you, sir. We're proud of that endorsement. We stand by it, and we think you're the right man. 00:02:17 Speaker 2: For the job. 00:02:18 Speaker 3: We think you are the supported by the base, the grassroots, by the conservative movement, regular Americans, and Cornyn is the guy of the corporate class. He's the guy of the establishment. Tell us your reaction to this news, sir, and what are you looking for? 00:02:32 Speaker 4: Look, I'm always excited. 00:02:33 Speaker 5: I've obviously been a supporter of President Trump for a long time, stuck with him through even the tough times when they were going after and went to his trial when no one else showed up with the sun And anyway, I trust the President. 00:02:47 Speaker 4: I know he'll make a good decision. 00:02:49 Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm continuing my fight right now with Gornyn during this early voting period and really need the support of Texans. But we all know that Donald Trump's endorsement is the most significant endorsement in the country and maybe the most significant endorsement in my lifetime I've never seen, and that you have such an impact on elections as the president as his endorsement has. 00:03:11 Speaker 2: Well, I agree with you. 00:03:13 Speaker 3: He is the leader of the party, the leader of the movement, and his endorsement carries a lot of weight in this instance, Sir, I want to play two different clips from Charlie Kirk talking about this. He was a huge supporter of yours. He believed that you are the fighter that we need in DC, and we've seen this incrementally. Blake talks about it a lot that race by race, senator by senator, congressman by congressman. We're getting better, stronger, that fighting spirit that the President has injected into the conservative movement. You are an inheritor of that. You are a product of that, Sir. I believe you had it before, but you certainly have grabbed onto it, and you carry the mantle of America first as well as anybody in the country. Attorney mister Attorney General Paxton. And I think Charlie saw this in you, and he saw the opposite, frankly, in John Cornyn. I'm gonna play this clip they said, this is from twenty twenty three. Charlie was really upset, sot one. 00:04:08 Speaker 1: I have never, in my ten years of doing this seen such an intentional, brazen, and defiant mode of action as what I have just seen from John Corny. I have never seen in my ten years of doing this, someone so openly rebuked by their voters and then so quickly turning one hundred and eighty degrees around and saying, I don't care. Cornyn doesn't like you, and he jokes about it. Actually Cornyn hates you. He knows he'll still get money from his corporate donors. He knows that instead of being allied with his voters and'd be like, maybe there's something I could learn here, he pokes them in the eye and says, no, no, no, no, no. I'm the senator. You you're the surf. 00:05:04 Speaker 3: What do you think, mister Attorney General, when you hear Charlie saying those things about your opponent here. 00:05:11 Speaker 4: I couldn't agree with them more. I was there. I know exactly what he's talking about. 00:05:15 Speaker 5: He's gone against our Republican base over and over for his entire forty two years in office. 00:05:22 Speaker 4: And I think what he's referring to in that message is that he's. 00:05:26 Speaker 5: Talking about when he sided with Joe Biden on restricting the Second Amendment right and when he did that, he got booed at the Texas Republican Convention for thirty straight minutes while he spoke, and after he left, he had complete disdain for the voters, thinking, these guys don't matter, They're all just fringe. But guess what, John, those are our people. Those are the people you should actually care about. And he had complete disdain and he's never come back to speak at the Republican convention. Again, he ignores us and says we don't matter because I've got Washington money, I've got Washington support, and I don't need the Republicans of Texas. 00:06:01 Speaker 2: Amen. 00:06:02 Speaker 3: So here's let's just call out the elephant in the room here, Ken, You've got people in the party, in the establishment, especially in DC, that say, you can't win a general, you can't win a race, you're too conservative, you're too America first, you're too maga, you can't win against tall Rico. 00:06:25 Speaker 2: Right. What's your response to that? 00:06:27 Speaker 5: Well, the first thing is they told Donald Trump the same thing, right, that he couldn't win. They've told me that for three I've run in three general elections in Texas. That means the entire state had to vote, and in each of those, with little money, I. 00:06:40 Speaker 4: Outperformed what everybody expected me to do. 00:06:43 Speaker 5: I competed equally with other Republicans that had one hundred times of the money that I had. 00:06:49 Speaker 4: I got out spent by a lot of money. And yet I've always. 00:06:51 Speaker 5: Performed better than these naysayers talked about. There's no pulling to suggests that what they're saying is true. John cornyans used this as a talking point because he knows that the Republican base does not appreciate how he's treated them for the last forty two years and they're sick of it. And he's like, well, it doesn't matter because I'm still a Republican and I'm brother th In Tellurican. 00:07:11 Speaker 4: I'm the only one that can win. That's just not true. The polling doesn't suggest it. As a matter of fact, I actually outperform them in some of these polls. And I think it's because people have. 00:07:19 Speaker 5: No energy for John Corny, because he has done nothing in forty two years that is good. 00:07:23 Speaker 4: No one's ever been able to name that. I've tarked that thousands of people, and I've asked him the same question. 00:07:28 Speaker 5: Over and over and every meeting. What have you done good for in forty two years? Can you name one thing? And no one's ever named it. 00:07:34 Speaker 3: Mister Attorney General, I think you've just hit the nail on the head here. I believe that your race is one of the most, if not the most critical race in this midterm, and I'll explain why. You have to give the base some reason to turn out, and you are the basis fighter. You are the chosen fighter for the grassroots. The core constituency that is going to show up in a mid wants to vote for you. They will come out to the polls to vote for you. They will get enthusiastic for you. Midterms are a turnout election exercise, and if there is not a reason for the base to turn out, they will not. They will stay at home, they will not come out. And you are the guy that inspires them, that gives them enthusiasm, that gives them faith that they have a fighter being sent to Washington, DC. And so that's the whole crux of the issue here. If you take away their fighter, they may just stay home and you get James taal Rico. 00:08:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally agree with you. But people have to have a reason to get out and vote. This is a competitive state. It's it's we're gonna win it, but it is still competitive. We still have to have somebody that has a message. 00:08:43 Speaker 5: And the message can't be well, I've been there a long time, so just keep voting for me. I don't do anything good. I do some bad stuff, Yeah, a lot of bad stuff. That's not enough to get you. 00:08:52 Speaker 4: Elected in Texas anymore. 00:08:53 Speaker 5: You actually have to have a message of hope and opportunity and a conservative message that inspire people to get out. And that's what we're doing with this campaign. And we're going to beat John Cornant and we're then we're going to beat that James Hollery. 00:09:06 Speaker 3: Goo uh, Mistertorney general. How much did you win your last general election race by? How many points? 00:09:12 Speaker 4: It was like ten points, close to ten points? I don't remember how cond active is right around ten. 00:09:15 Speaker 3: So you just won by ten points, but you can't win a general that's their best line against you. 00:09:20 Speaker 2: You just won by ten points, yes. 00:09:22 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, And I spent a fraction of the money of other state wise who also won by ten We'll take the government won by eleven vide else. 00:09:29 Speaker 4: You know he spent two two hundred million, one hundred Yeah. 00:09:31 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, how much money has been wasted in your primary battle thus far by republican Republican on Republican. By the way, this isn't trying to beat Democrats, this is Republican on Republican. How much has been spent against you? How much do you predict is going to be spent against you when this is said and done, So. 00:09:46 Speaker 5: In the first round, the first in the primary before the run of one hundred million, So I'm guessing somewhere between total of one hundred and thirty and one hundred and fifty million dollars that. 00:09:55 Speaker 4: Could have gone to North Carolina. 00:09:56 Speaker 5: They could have gone to Georgia, that could have gone to Maine, and yet for some reason they decided to waste it on John Corny. 00:10:01 Speaker 3: That's a crime against the GOP. Bass sir, we have your back and we're gonna be watching this endorsement closely, mister President. We hope you make the right decision here. We believe in you and we trust you. And Ken Paxton's the guy for Texas and for the country. Ken Paxton, good luck, sir. We got your back. 00:10:21 Speaker 4: Thank you. 00:10:23 Speaker 3: That was a fantastic discussion with Attorney General Ken Paxton. And like I said, the President is scheduled to make his endorsement at twelve thirty. 00:10:32 Speaker 6: Maybe he'll endorse both. He's done that before. He has well, he. 00:10:35 Speaker 3: Did it with the Biggs and Karen Taylor Robson before she dropped out the governor race here in Arizona. You know that wouldn't be the worst thing ever. I'm gonna tell you guys about strong Sale dot Com. Strong sell is a breakthrough energy supplement. So if you have chronic fatigue, chronic illness, brain fog, word recall issues. We got guys with swollen ankles getting fixed. There's all kinds of things that when you energize yourselves properly that you will see remedied. That's the breakthrough. ANADH is a tough thing to get into your system, though your stomach tends to kill it. 00:11:06 Speaker 2: So a lot of people had to go to ivy. 00:11:07 Speaker 3: Clinics and spend hundreds of dollars at the ivy clink. 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This is from It looks like April of twenty twenty five tot eight. 00:12:08 Speaker 1: You have John corn who's been around for quite a while. John Cornyn has had some very let's just say questionable votes in the last couple of years, and primarying him is Ken Paxton, the Attorney General of Texas. Unfortunately, we've seen a pattern of people that go to the US Senate and they just kind of lose their gusto and their spirit. I don't think we're going to see that from. 00:12:35 Speaker 3: You, Charlie giving his vote of confidence to Cornyn? What do you make or to Ken Patson? What do you make of this moment that we're about to watch? How important do you think it is? 00:12:46 Speaker 2: Blake? 00:12:47 Speaker 7: I mean. 00:12:49 Speaker 6: Fairly important? Well, It's interesting that President Trump is waiting into this because he often has preferred to stay out I feel of races that do seem genuinely fifty to fifty because the president the president likes to he cares about getting guys who are allies, but he also just cares a lot about being the winner, who's always decisive and deciding things, and he very much wants to avoid any race where he could make an endorsement and then fall short, right, And so I almost wonder what this pitch to them is looking like. Is the pitch them actually saying Cornyn is the better ally or are they just saying Cordon's got it locked up. You want to just make this call because he'll win, And as we know, it's actually quite. 00:13:30 Speaker 2: A norse think. 00:13:30 Speaker 3: I think Paxton is actually ahead in most polls over Cornyan right now. So maybe President Trump is seen enough and realizes that Paxton's the guy of the people. Although I will say it looks like the odds have it, the betting odds have it Cornyn has just searched eighty percent in the betting odds to get the endorsement, And I just want to say, even if that happens, turning point actions endorsement is not going to change. We still have Ken Paxton's back. I think the people of text have Ken Paxson's back, especially in a primary vote. And we made the point in that interview with Ken that yeah, okay, the dig on you is that you're too conservative, you can't win a general. But he won his last race by ten points in the state of Texas. I think President Trump won the twenty twenty four election by fourteen in Texas, thirteen or fourteen. So so President Trump outperformed that by a few points, but not by that much. And so you know, Texas is a state that's more and more competitive. We understand that dynamic, but it's still a conservative state. Ken Paxton still has the edge. It doesn't matter if you send Cornan or Packson up. I think just from a polling standpoint, but I think in the midterm, when you don't have President Trump on the ballot, you have if you're going to energize the base to turn out, you gotta have somebody with a spine, with first American first credentials to drive that election. 00:14:52 Speaker 2: The most important thing is votes. 00:14:53 Speaker 6: You just can't have a senator from Texas who is a Republican in his pro amnesty. 00:14:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, Cornyn is a squish on He is a from a bygone era where they don't see immigration the same way we do. They don't see the social issues the same way we do. They're dinosaurs. And President Trump defies that because he sort of was the instrument to bring some of this to bear and get it to the forefront, to get us talking about immigration in the right way, to get us talking about social issues with a spine and with a backbone. Cornan didn't adopt that. 00:15:25 Speaker 6: One of the first things when I was at Fox in twenty seventeen, we were getting leaks from staffers in Cornan's office that he was not aligned on immigration, and in fact, he was saying one thing and doing another in private, and we were getting things of that nature from his office. 00:15:42 Speaker 2: That was nine years. 00:15:43 Speaker 6: Ago, and Okay, nothing's changed since then. What is the justification for keeping this guy around? Because he'll still be around six years from now if he wins again. 00:15:53 Speaker 2: And this is the whole thing. 00:15:54 Speaker 3: You have to give the base hope that the promises are being fulfilled from the election, all Right, you see some fraying at the edges of the coalition. Well, that happens when they feel like promises are not getting fulfilled. 00:16:09 Speaker 2: Right. 00:16:09 Speaker 3: You saw this with Iran. No new wars, we got a war. Okay, we're going to trust the president that he doesn't get us into quagmires and forever wars. But there is you know, there is a leash there. There is a patience quottion that can be exhausted. Right, and so even President Trump, you know, I think he's got to remember that his base is begging and pleading that the things that he promised in twenty twenty four get accomplished. I think the President's doing amazing work on so many different issues. Tariffs, bringing back domestic manufacturing, the spirit of growth and optimism, the Golden era, all of those things, immigration enforcement, the borders closed. There's a lot to praise the president about the end of DEI and the resurgence of meritocracy throughout the government. We have the lowest federal government employment rates since nineteen I believe nineteen sixty six, So we're making a lot of headway. Right There's three hundred thousand plus federal employees that either no longer have a job or the position hasn't been filled. Because they are cutting the fat or cutting fraud. J d Vance at the President's direction is doing a tremendous job. I actually have an op ed coming out on Thursday about this. Uh so many good things to to praise into and to celebrate, and one of those core pieces is personnel. The President's done such a good job picking better people in Trump point two point oh than he did in Trump one point oh. Of course, you're still gonna get some some traders and some some saboteurs that come through and that they they find a way into the mix. But that's the exception, not the rule this time. Also, Senate Congress, you gotta have fighters that have your back. The Democrats stick together like white on rice. They are inseparable. They vote as a block. And we need to get better as conservatives to have people like Kem Paxton that are gonna have your back when it's when the when the chips are down and things are tough, in your back against a wall. So that is Ken Paxon. He's a fighter that has shown it doesn't matter what you throw at this guy. He's gonna fight, and he's gonna fight, and he's gonna fight, just like the President so we gotta have more guys like Ken Paxon in DC. The guy can win a general. He's gonna take down Tall Rico. He's gonna energize the base. In an off year election where President Trump is not on the ballot, you've gotta have an excuse to get out. Ken Paxton will energize the base and get those votes out. 00:18:26 Speaker 6: President Trump has announced his endorsement and even though all of ten minutes ago it was eighty percent for Cornyn, he is endorsing Ken Paxton. 00:18:35 Speaker 2: Ken Paxton, do we have the fause track in therere we go? 00:18:38 Speaker 6: It's a very long one. We'll do a few highlight lines, he says. The highly respected Attorney General of Texas, Ken Paxton, and america first patriot and someone who has always been extremely loyal to me and our amazing MAGA movement is running for the US Senate to represent a place I love and one big three times with six point four million votes in twenty twenty four, the most in the history of the state by far. Very trumpy in tweet here, but he's says I know Ken well. 00:19:01 Speaker 2: He is a winner. 00:19:02 Speaker 6: Ken is a strong supporter of terminating the filibuster and very importantly the Save America Act, and I want to He goes on for a bit. Ken will help me do all the things I want, making America bigger, better, and stronger than ever before. Ken is a true MAGA warrior who has always delivered for Texas and will continue to do so in the United States Senate, he says, John Cornyn is a good man and I worked well with him, but he is not supportive of me when times were tough, and despite having the most successful economy in the history of the country in my first term, John was very late in backing me in what turned out to be a historic run for the Republican nomination and then the presidency. Ken has gone through a lot, and in many cases very unfairly, but he is a fighter and knows how to win. Ken Paxton will never let you down. Wild Trump, President of the United States, want to celebrate this. This is a good, good moment for the base, good moment for the coalition. I think this is the correct decision. And again we talked about coalition building. We talk about keeping that twenty twenty four coalition together. This is this is an endorsement that helps him do that. So very very good news here, very very happy that this is the decision that was made when a lot of people said it was gonna go the other way. The prediction markets had eighty percent corning just minutes ago. You would have lost a lot of money on that bet. So there you are, so well done, President Trump. If you're watching, I was told that it was possible you were watching this morning, So if you're still watching, congratulations on a great decision. 00:20:38 Speaker 3: Charlie used to talk a lot about Angel Studios and what they were building, and as you know, I've been a longtime fan of it for the same reason. So I wanted to share some of my favorite films and shows on Angel, and I put them all into one easy to use watch list. This is content that's actually worth your time, not just noise or recycled talking points, but stories that go a level deeper and ask better questions. That's what stands out about Angel to me. 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You you know you've been you had a busy morning, but you're catching bits and pieces of it here. 00:22:00 Speaker 2: Jay. 00:22:01 Speaker 3: It seems to be most of this around so far, has been around as they're trying to get the prosecution. One of the prosecutors held in contempt for breaking a gag order and it appears to be related to that atf report, which was the first time we had you on the show. 00:22:16 Speaker 2: What are you hearing and seeing? 00:22:18 Speaker 7: J Yeah? 00:22:19 Speaker 8: So Rule three point six, so the rules of professional responsibility which every lawyer has to follow and as a prosecutor, relevant here says that it involves pre trial publicity, and so you can't make extra judicial statements, meaning out of court statements that. 00:22:35 Speaker 9: Would materially prejudice the defendant. 00:22:37 Speaker 8: So let's say I know something is hearsay and inadmissible, but I go on TV and I talk about. 00:22:43 Speaker 9: That evidence knowing that a jury is never going to hear it. 00:22:45 Speaker 8: That is an extra judicial statement that does materially prejudice a defendant and is prohibited the problem. And I'm glad the state prosecutors nailed the Robinson's defense counsel on this today because this bugged me the first time you had me on your show, and all we had we didn't have the ATF report at the time, but I told you that I guarantee you that that ATF report suggests that it could not be excluded that the bullet found in Charlie Kirk's body came from that rifle. It wasn't just that they were unable to identify a match between the bullet and the rifle, and that it was a thirty caliber class bullet, meaning that's the type of bullet that is fired from the gun that has Robinson's DNA on it, but that was excluded from the Defense Council's motion. Sure enough we get the ATF report. It's exactly what it said. We also understand that it says it's unable to identify or exclude right or exclude meaning. We don't know because it was such a badly damaged, shrapneled mushroomed round that was found in Charlie's body, So we just can't give any meaningful analysis to it to match the striations of the thirty. 00:23:59 Speaker 2: Six that we and Jay. 00:24:01 Speaker 3: It just don't mean to interrupt you, but I gotta throw this original image up. So this all came back down to the Daily Mail article that came out at the time, which let's just read their headline here, bullet used to kill Charlie Kirk did not all caps did not match, not match rifle allegedly used by suspect Tyler Robinson. New court filing claims this sent the Internet and the Twitter sphere absolutely bonkers, ablaze crazy, right, So, for like it was like thirty six hours, this thing did I don't know, forty million engagements on Twitter alone, let alone all the YouTube videos that were made of it. TikTok's and everything. So this misleading headline went probably three times around the world before the truth had a chance to get his pants on. And so the defense attorney or the prosecutors apparently, let me just pull up the exact quote because it is it is important. I want to make sure I get my my exact quote here, sir. He apparently spoke to the press, and this would be Chris Ballard on the prosecutions team said, when a bullet fragment analysis comes back as inconclusive, that means the fragment did not contain enough detail for the examiner to say one way or the other. We have ample evidence to demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that Tyler Robinson committed this murder, and we will present some of that evidence at the upcoming preliminary hearing, and then we will present all that evidence at the trial. When you hear that quote directly, so this is the quote in question that they're saying that Chris Ballard should be held in contempt for making that statement to the press. When you see it in context right of what the media was doing the Daily Mail article, specifically that you came on the show the next day to Rebut what do you do you feel like he broke that rule or do you think he's well within his rights? 00:25:56 Speaker 9: No, absolutely not. And here's why. 00:25:59 Speaker 8: The the defense motion that said that they were unable to identify that bullet matching the gun and that they want to call the ATF now to present exculpatory meaning not guilty, didn't do it. You can't prove this beyond a reasonable doubt because there is exculpatory evidence in this ATF report. That's what the defense motion said. Like you said, that went around the world before the truth could put on its pants. And so the under rule three point six that was heavily cited by defense counsel today, it allows the prosecution to go out and correct the record when they have been materially prejudiced by incorrect and misleading statements. 00:26:39 Speaker 9: And he nailed the defense council. 00:26:41 Speaker 8: He didn't say that it was their intent, and he didn't blame the media for running with it. Who wouldn't right If you read that motion, you think, oh my god, a bullet doesn't match the gun. I knew what it meant because I've read hundreds of firearms and tool mark reports. 00:26:53 Speaker 9: From the ATF. 00:26:54 Speaker 8: But in the Defense Council knew what it meant too, being too smart by half, and they. 00:26:58 Speaker 9: Were called on it today. I don't think that the judge is gonna fall for this. This is this is absurd to me. Maybe he'll entertain some more. 00:27:06 Speaker 8: Motions, but there is nothing contemptuous about correcting the record when they've been materially prejudiced, they being the state of Utah. 00:27:14 Speaker 3: Well and and listen, I don't mean to read too deeply into this blake. You're you're you're not an attorney, but you sometimes play one on TV. 00:27:21 Speaker 2: The the uh. 00:27:22 Speaker 3: But but but their their motion that they made, uh that the Daily Mail extracted that headline for it left out all of the other perspective, right, and so that the person is sitting there Meanwhile, like I said, the story is getting millions and millions of engagement. It's getting people are getting worked into a lather. And the conspiracy realms and this cottage industry that's been drummed up. And so if we're talking about prejudicing a defendant or a jury or whatever, that's the prejudice that I'm seeing. So you almost are obligated, it seems to me to have to give something of the contrary to give the other side of the coin, as it were. That's well, and I'm not a lawyer, but that feels reasonable to me. 00:28:08 Speaker 8: Well, and you're doing an excellent job. It's showing that it's not that difficult. 00:28:12 Speaker 9: Right. 00:28:13 Speaker 8: But they have a duty, the prosecution as a duty to be zealous under the same rule as professional conduct, and they have a duty to collect the correct the public record. Remember, they didn't comment until that ATF report was unsealed and became public, and it was several weeks, if not well over a month that went by between that defense was months between that defense counsel's motion, the reporting and when it got corrected. And we did that on your show and said exactly what you and I talked about. It would say, So, this is part of their duty actually to correct the record, because it is impacting their jury pool if they don't, And that's not zealous defense of your client. Their client being the state of Utah, the laws of the state of Utah and the people who reside there. 00:28:58 Speaker 9: So they did exactly what they're supposed to do. 00:29:01 Speaker 1: Today. 00:29:01 Speaker 3: What happens if Chris Ballard is found in contempt? What are the consequences in the ramifications. 00:29:06 Speaker 9: I don't see a universe for that happens Andrew, honestly. 00:29:09 Speaker 8: But what I'll say is that, I mean he could be fined, he could be told he can't do it again, he could be reported to the bar. 00:29:16 Speaker 9: He's not going to be removed from the case. None of that's going to happen. What Ballard did was not contemptuous. 00:29:22 Speaker 8: He's not a condemnar, as a new word that the defense like to say several times today, as if they just read an impellate brief. So it is to me, I find it incredible that we're even there today, not to mention that they want to close the entire preliminary hearing down so the media can't watch all this evidence against Tyler Robinson, in which there is mounting And I'll suggest that they can waive a prelim hearing anytime they want to. 00:29:48 Speaker 9: They don't have to have it. 00:29:49 Speaker 8: If they think it's going to prejudice their client client. Instead, they want to keep a public trial, which is a constitutional right, out of public view, and that's the judge wasn't buying that either. 00:30:00 Speaker 3: I mentioned I want to get Blake in here, because you know, one of the pushbacks to the last hearing from the defense was that they hadn't got all the discovery. Now they're saying that they've got They've we've handed over all the discovery. We've gotten additional discovery, including thousands and thousands of files from ring cameras and residential neighborhood and stuff like that. What how how much is that element of this discovery? Is that going to play into this case? 00:30:24 Speaker 2: Do you believe? 00:30:25 Speaker 9: Yeah? 00:30:25 Speaker 8: Well, and very quickly, before I answer your question, I just want to say that the reach of this show and Charlie Kirk's legacy continues well beyond Charlie Kirk's death. My wife texted me during the break saying she's actually watching me. 00:30:38 Speaker 9: I didn't even tell her I was going to be on. 00:30:39 Speaker 8: But that's that's just how my family loves you guys, and loves what you're doing, love Charlie and the Kirk family, and I'm glad to be helping out with this story. To answer your question, the next thing, and she's beautiful and I love my wife. What I could tell, yeah, is that they're gonna the next complaining is going to be there's too much discovery, right, we. 00:31:02 Speaker 9: Can't possibly go through it all. 00:31:03 Speaker 8: We need years and experts and more money and software to kind of parse through it. And so that's gonna be the next ro give us at all. Well, now you've given us too much. How can we possibly get through all of this before the prelim? Let's extend that out another year because we have all this video to watch and we have to have an expert tell us is what's wrong with his gait when he's walking with the gun down his pants, for instance, And so those are those are all just defense tactics. And I don't think the I think the judge is hiring quickly of this defense team. 00:31:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, I noticed that too. 00:31:34 Speaker 3: Some of in the clips you hear Judge Graff actually going, isn't that too broad? Isn't that too far? Like he does seem to be losing some page. I don't know if you're seeing the same thing, Blake, but that's what I'm. 00:31:45 Speaker 6: Just I just keep thinking about the bigger picture thing that we've had what a dozen hearings at this point by now, all these back and forth motions they want to push back this hearing. We literally we haven't entered a pleae so far, to my understanding, I'm looking at the timeline of other famous trials. 00:32:01 Speaker 7: In the O. J. 00:32:01 Speaker 6: Simpson case, he was arraigned and pleaded not guilty eight days after the murder. And like, if you don't have to please, yeah, and here we still have no please. 00:32:11 Speaker 2: What do you read into that? 00:32:12 Speaker 4: Jell? 00:32:12 Speaker 6: I got my bigger picture question that I'd like to answer, is, is this is this quirks of utahlaw? Is this quirks of modern capital case law? Is all of this normal and we just normally don't see it because cases aren't this high profile? Or is this case truly unusual? 00:32:27 Speaker 2: Great question? 00:32:28 Speaker 8: So I will say for capital litigation, I've been apart. I've put people on death row twice. And it doesn't sound like a large number. 00:32:36 Speaker 9: It's a huge number. 00:32:37 Speaker 8: Uh. And I've been a part of capital litigation, and I can tell. 00:32:40 Speaker 9: You this is this is perfectly normal. Uh. Defense counsel every single stone. 00:32:45 Speaker 8: That they can overturn, or every every single angle or or sliver of an argument that they can make, they're going to make for the record. They know the result of it. The judge is going to entertain it. He's not gonna throw papers in the air, his hands in the air, because they have all conceded in their. 00:33:04 Speaker 9: Minds at this moment. 00:33:05 Speaker 8: I guarantee you that Tyler Robinson will be found guilty and that he will be sentenced to death. And that's why they are peppering the record with all these little tiny issues about contempt or you know, open courtrooms in the media and w we've gotten too much discovery and you're rushing us. Those are just things that a pellic course will review and determine if a Fifth Amendment right was violated because of that speed, That's why the judge is being so deliberate in this case. 00:33:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that I mean, that's exactly That's been my read as well. Jay is it. 00:33:37 Speaker 3: Feels like the judge is aware of the strategy here to pepper the record, try and get something that make him make a mistake so that it can be reviewed on appeal or overturned or relitigated in some way, shape or form or fashion in the future. It feels like, though Judge graph is onto this and he's playing this very deliberately, very fairly on purpose. I have one other question here j for you. So you know the issue of was Tyler Robinson radicalized by outsiders? 00:34:07 Speaker 2: Did other people know it? 00:34:09 Speaker 3: You know, I believe that those investigations are still ongoing technically by the FBI. I would love more intel on it, candidly, But do you believe that that plays any role in the prosecution of Tyler Robinson specifically? 00:34:22 Speaker 2: Right? 00:34:22 Speaker 3: So, we know we have a mountain of evidence that suggests that he was the individual that pulled the trigger. He's you know, confessions pulled in, brought in by family members, all of these things, DNA, the bullets, the gun. But if there's other people involved, how does that impact Because I do believe that's still an open question, that's fair to ask, But how does that impact what goes on with Tyler Robinson? 00:34:44 Speaker 9: Yeah? 00:34:44 Speaker 8: The only way it would, I mean, so it doesn't impact his guilt at all. I mean, if there was twenty co conspirators and we didn't know who they were, and Tyler Robinson still going to trial for the death of Charlie Kirk and he's still facing the death penalty, So it doesn't change any of the evidence or the proofs against him. The only thing that if there was such a thing and he knew about them, you know, the state could could a deal with him to get more information about those individuals. That's the only sort of value to Charlie Kirk that could sort of minimize the exposure to his sentence. 00:35:19 Speaker 9: But otherwise it doesn't. It's not exculpatory. 00:35:21 Speaker 8: If anything, if there's co conspirators, it's just more. 00:35:24 Speaker 9: Evidence of the crime itself and the premeditation. That's right. 00:35:28 Speaker 8: That's not helpful to him if he's going to suggest, as they have continued to do, that he's not guilty. I would suggest to you that the evidences I've proven cases beyond a reasonable doubt with way less evidence than what the State of Utah has against Tyler Robinson. 00:35:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, And in some ways, when you talk about discovery and just how much there is, it's kind of like it's all sort of the context. The underlying context is just this mountain of evidence that's going to be very difficult for the defense to argue it, right, Yeah, Jew, thank you so much. Yeah, where can people follow you Jay as you're doing analysis on this and other cases. 00:36:04 Speaker 8: You can find me at Jaytown, Alabama on X And thanks for having me on, guys. 00:36:08 Speaker 9: God bless you. 00:36:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, God bless you too. Thank you for being willing to jump on. I know you had a busy morning, Jay, So thank you so much. Sean Davis, co founder and CEO of The Federalist, joins us. Now we're to talk shop, talk politics, Sean. President Trump made the right decision in Texas. The betting odds before that decision were made had Corning up at like eighty percent odds of getting the endorsement. President Trump defies the betting odds, goes with the proven America first fighter, Ken Paxton. 00:36:39 Speaker 2: Your reaction, I. 00:36:41 Speaker 10: Think my main reaction was relief. 00:36:43 Speaker 11: I saw that same announcement that everyone else said that Trump was gonna endorse in the Senate race. And after seeing him go and go endorse amnesty Mike Lawler in New York and then go after Bobert, he's, you know, bff's with Grahama. Not all crap, We're screwed again, But no, we were not screwed. Trump came through, he endorsed Kim Paxton. And what I find most interesting about this is all that John Cornyn had to do was passed the Save America Act. Ken Paxon said he would drop out if John Cornyn passed it. Trump said he would endorse him if he passed it, and not only did he not pass it. He didn't even try. So it's amazing to me that I guess John Cornyn wanted to be a private citizen more than he wanted to enact voter ID and secure our elections. I mean, it's an interesting flex from him, but one that's kind of fascinating to me. 00:37:35 Speaker 6: That's actually the I think that's the best way I've heard it put yet. Like we were mentioning John Cornyn, we were getting told I was at Fox nine years ago and we were getting leaks about how he loves amnesty, opposes Trump on immigration. But yeah, these guys who love staying in office as much as they do, they love just clinging to power through every change of the waves. But he can't concede on an issue where he's not even in alignment with his base. It'd be one thing if you are unwilling to give up on an issue that had been a Republican cause forever or this conservative cause and you just won't compromise. But he's not willing to compromise on an issue where he agrees with the left to stay in office. It just puts it perfectly, And yeah, Save America Act could have saved him. 00:38:18 Speaker 3: Instead, he cannot save himself. Do we have intel on where he stands on the on the filibuster. 00:38:23 Speaker 11: I think he has generally supported it, but you know, I think we've talked about it on the show before. You didn't actually need to get rid of the filibuster in order to pass the Save America Act. We just had to have fifty Republican senators who went to work every day, and we're going to be on the floor every day to exhaust Democrat filibuster options. 00:38:42 Speaker 10: You didn't have to nuke the filibuster. 00:38:43 Speaker 11: But I guess working five days a week was also too much to It's asking a lot. 00:38:48 Speaker 3: That's asking a lot, Sean, you know, and by the way, Blake's made this point a lot, and so Blake feel free to chime in. But that the nuking, the enacting an actual talking filibuster right where they have to debate and have to show up and you have to get a quorum, and all of these things would do so much good for the United States Senate, Sean, because it would restore the body to what it should be. 00:39:12 Speaker 7: It's a real Senate. 00:39:12 Speaker 6: You can't have John Corny's anymore, who b su who lie to you for years on end. I would love to do this thing, but we just don't have sixty votes. 00:39:21 Speaker 3: And they fill their days with like pointless you know, rubber chicken meetings and like you know, side meetings and lobbyist meetings instead of doing the people's work on the floor of the Senate. That to me is like why we can't get them to gather for five days a week and do like a nine to five like everybody else, And we're not asking for you know, over to Well maybe we would, but the point is they should be willing to do it. You're one of one hundred people in the country that was blessed with this job. 00:39:49 Speaker 2: Show up for it. 00:39:50 Speaker 3: But instead they know that their job is a bunch of smoke and merrors, garbage where it's just like presenting the greatest deliberative body. No, you are not the greatest deliberative body any You've turned into a shadow of yourself, a husk of your former self, and you don't show up for work because you have meetings all day with lobbyists and donors and blah blah blah. So anyways, I'm completely with you, I think Ken Paxson. I agree Sean, there's a little bit of relief because on some level, probaly should have been this hard. But I'm glad that it happened. I feel like it's a shot in the arm for the base heading into the midterms. 00:40:22 Speaker 10: It is. 00:40:23 Speaker 11: And man, when we talk about the destruction of the Senate, it would be easy to be like, Harry Reid did it and know this is all the Democrats. The reality is that the Senate was killed in a very bipartisan manner by both Mitch McConnell and Harry Reid, and they effectively turned the Senate into the House. Now, not that the House is a bad thing, but House has a very different purpose. It exists to represent the people. It is a very much majority ruled and has been for a very long time. You don't have an open amendment process. Stuff comes to the floor, you voted up or down, you move on. That's not how the Senate was. It's not how the Senate was fifteen years ago. It's not how it was twenty years ago. You go and read old transcripts of Senate floor debates from like the sixties and seventies and even into the eighties, and you had individual senators without the help of staff, doing extemporaneous colloquies and soliloquies on the finer points of parliamentary procedure, and they were doing it all hours of the day, in the night, and instead what we have now is a gerontocracy of low IQ idiots who really can't even bother to work three days a week for more than six hours a day. It's a total tragedy. Hopefully we're moving on from that. Hopefully getting someone like Paxton and who's clearly a man of action and get stuff done will change that culture. 00:41:39 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:41:39 Speaker 3: And by the way, I think he's going to win the general I think he's going to run away with it. I think minimum of four points, but I think he could end up winning by like six seven. I mean, tal Rico is going to be a formidable opponent in the Senate. I think that's a joke. Tal Rico is Listen, I know better. I have fear of the Lord. I'm not going to I'm not going to debate his eternal destiny or something like that, but I will just say that from a theological standpoint, the guy is a complete woke joke. This is the kind of Christianity that dies on the vine, that empties the pews and church buildings shutter when they endorse. Okay, like whatever he's preaching is the complete, complete opposite of what I read in scripture, and so for him to sort of like come out here is this like hicclb, you know, Christian And now he's got a girlfriend apparently, which which was up for debate whether or not that was something that was feasible for him. So anyways, we're finding out this guy's going to be, you know, appealing to that sort of Heartland Texas gollogy shucks Christianity thing here, the ned Flanders Christian whatever you want to call it. I think it's complete turnoff for Texans, and I think Ken Paxton's gonna absolutely run away with it. What's your take on when this gets to the general, because I think at this point Paxton's up in the primary. The endorsement's going to underscore that and help him. Let's just assume Paxson wins the primary. How do you see this general playing out? 00:43:07 Speaker 11: I think I tend to your point of view here, and I look at twenty eighteen kind of as my benchmarks. That was a very bad year for Republicans. It was a blue wave for Democrats. We had Ted Cruz running for reelection. Cruz was not particularly likable. It wasn't really all that popular, doesn't have a lot of the charisma you might want a politician. But he voted solid, he was dependable, and then he was going up against a fundraising powerhouse in Robert Francis O'Rourke aka Beto. 00:43:34 Speaker 10: Don't know how he got that and. 00:43:36 Speaker 2: The irishman that was Charlie's raize. 00:43:42 Speaker 11: He raised like a hundred million dollars something insane. He's still lost by four points, so I feel like tall Rico's high watermark is going to be losing by four now. 00:43:52 Speaker 10: Granted it may be a worse cycle this time. Who knows. 00:43:55 Speaker 11: Numbers aren't looking great, although they can change. But tell Rico's far less talented than Betto ever was. He is so much more gross and slimy and fake. And again I'm comparing him to one of the fakest candidates in history. So no, I think packs and wins by five, six, seven, eight, somewhere in that neighborhood. 00:44:14 Speaker 3: Okay, I love that. I love that estimation because I think it's accurate. I think it's accurate, all right, Sean now is the time we're going to get into the sassy massy race that is captivating the conservative movement and then beyond. Actually, I did a little research on this yesterday, Sean, and it's about five percent of Massey's war chest. He's raised a lot of money in this race is coming from Kentuckians. The rest is coming from California, Florida, Texas. There's a big libertarian movement that tends to throw in behind their candidates when they're running, and so I think we're seeing a lot of that happen. But there's also been a lot of money spent against him, a lot of packs, a lot of pro Israel packs. Again, that's not necessarily foreign money. I don't think it Ismerricans that support is or whatever that they're they're supporting. Uh Gallin. So what are you looking at when you see this race? How do you size it up? And who's gonna win? 00:45:09 Speaker 4: Yeah? 00:45:09 Speaker 10: Great question. 00:45:10 Speaker 11: If if you made me bed, if I were a betting man, which I'm not, I think I would put my money on gall Rhyn. You know, odds wise, he seems to be like a sixty forty favorite, maybe fifty five forty five. It's a weird race. And you know, you said heading into break that your listener feedback has been all over the place. I kind of feel like I'm personally representative of that because I like Massy and also he drives me nuts, and on some areas, I think he's really really good, and on some areas, I think he's a total phony and fake. And then I look at his opponent and he seems like kind of just a thumb to me, like, I don't know what he's got going. 00:45:52 Speaker 10: On to find the Trump. Yeah, he's just he's there. He's there. Yeah, I don't know what else is going on. 00:45:59 Speaker 11: You know, he's got Trump's endorsement, which is not nothing that's huge. And I look at this race and it almost seems to me to be emblematic of a lot of the fissures that we're seeing developing in the Republican Party now. I don't know if it's driven by how the Epstein stuff was handled by the Iran war, but we had this massive coalition, a historic coalition in twenty twenty four that elected Trump and overwhelming margins. He won every swing state, he won the popular vote, and then now we're less than two years later and we seem very fractured, and you know, different factions are all over the place, and I just feel like this race is a microcosm of what's happening within the Republican Party, and I kind of wish we could heal those fractures, get back to all the things that we agree on instead of fighting over the little things we disagree on. 00:46:44 Speaker 10: And so I think the race just makes me sad. 00:46:46 Speaker 3: Honestly, Yeah, I think that's well put I feel the same. I mean, I was very clear yesterday. I like him on Maha, I like him on War, like him on the budget. I think he got over his skis a little bit. On Epstein, Blake, I think you could. 00:46:58 Speaker 2: Even like more. 00:47:00 Speaker 6: He could fight, I think for more transparency on that. But instead he's openly just said, oh, you know, I agree with my party except when they're protecting pedophiles, really pushing this whole narrative that aligns with lunatics and also the far left that oh there's this Epstein class. They're trafficking all these kids. It's not a thing that is, it's not one, it's not true, but it's also just incredibly reckless and it's blowing everything up. 00:47:27 Speaker 3: So this is very interesting. President Trump is chimed in again. But we've seen him chime in on the massy topic. He's very, very adamant about it. 00:47:35 Speaker 2: We know that. But heg seth chimed in top four. 00:47:39 Speaker 12: Because after you've led men in life and death situations, the games that are played inside the Beltway start looking pretty small. Now, contrast that with what we've gotten from Tom Massey. At some point, being against everything becomes an excuse for accomplishing nothing. At some point, constant obstruction is leadership. It's just commentary. It's obstruction. President Trump does not need more people in Washington who are trying to make a point, especially from his own party. He needs people willing to help him win, to vote with him when it matters. 00:48:18 Speaker 3: The most, all right, So that is noteworthy. US had Stephen Miller donning a Maga cap, which the guy is Maga as it comes. But I don't think I've ever seen him, you know, wearing an actual Maga hat. And you know, he's faced basically going after the fact that he voted no on the One Big Beautiful Bill, which is the signature border bill ice border patrol, mass deportations. He claims he chose illegals, left wing NGOs, and refugee industrial complex over you, your family and your kids. Okay, here's my concern. So obviously the Trump Administration's full force. My concern is that the kids like MASSI so atturny point. We're always talking to the young, young, younger voters, college kids. 00:48:57 Speaker 2: They like Massy. 00:48:58 Speaker 3: And what I'm most concerned is that were the fissure is really becoming a generational Charlie was extraordinarily worried about this with Operation Midnight Hammer, with the Epstein stuff. He saw the writing on the wall that has continued to play out, and honestly, the ends are getting further apart. 00:49:13 Speaker 2: He has punk energy. 00:49:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, he does have, So how do we? I mean, this is why I'm saying, like, if Massy wins, I'm gonna be okay with it. If Gallrain wins, I'm gonna be okay with it. 00:49:23 Speaker 2: Either way. 00:49:23 Speaker 3: I'm like you, I just want the coalition together. Final minute, Sean. 00:49:27 Speaker 11: Yeah, it's the fracture there that I find worrisome, and it is very real. I think if you looked at the poll numbers in that state, basically everyone under forty was overwhelmingly for Massy, and then everyone above was overwhelmingly against him, and it's interesting this isn't the first time he and Trump have gone toe to toe. It happened in twenty twenty as well, because Massy was very much not a fan of the COVID stuff. To Massy's credit and Massew swatted away that primary challenge very easily. But it feels like it's different this time around, that it's not purely issues based, that it's a lot of personality based and the personally I think the thing that I find most annoying on the Massy side is the guy never mentioned Epstein before twenty twenty five. 00:50:16 Speaker 10: I think he tweeted about it three times. 00:50:18 Speaker 11: Goodump gets in and magically overnight it's the most important thing he cares about. That just looks fake to me. It looks like clout chasing and podcast chasing. But I agree with you, it's this fissure between the old and the new, and the old and young that makes this a real problem. 00:50:34 Speaker 7: For the right. 00:50:35 Speaker 3: Sean, great analysis, really interesting point you just made. 00:50:40 Speaker 2: Check out the Federalists. They are the best. Sean. We appreciate you, man, We'll see you soon. 00:50:44 Speaker 7: Thank you, Hey eye. 00:50:48 Speaker 6: We're excited to tell you about Charlie's favorite supplement. If you experienced brain fog, low energy, frequent illnesses, or if you just wake up stiff and achy every day, you've got to try strong sell. Charlie took it every single day, He frequently talked about it on the show, and he even traveled around the country bringing it with him. For Charlie, strong cell helped keep his mind sharp and focused for all the debates he was engaged in. Strong cell gives clean, natural energy without jitters, weird spikes, or afternoon crashes. 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We're talking about Massy talking about the Cornyn Packson thing, and then we're gonna go over the races to watch the races in the country that we want to pour all of our attention and energy into without further ado, Tyler, one of the driving forces of the show when Charlie was here and we want to keep it going, is that we give the audience the goal, the perspective, the mission, the mission needs to be very, very expressly clear. And you've put together a list of the most important races in the country to keep control of the House, to build towards twenty twenty eight. Okay, so that's the setup. Here's the payoff. Give us the list. What's the first race that you're watching on your list here? 00:54:13 Speaker 13: Well, first off, today's a big day obviously with the packs, the news that was great. 00:54:18 Speaker 7: It's a huge shift in the movement. And this is. 00:54:21 Speaker 13: Why the right has to fight and has to actually take ground. We talked about this all the time with Charlie, is that we have to take we have to be on the offense. We have to take ground, we have to be fighting, and right now no one is talking enough about where we kill multiple birds with one stone. How the left views everything, They look at the presidential election, they work their way backward. They invest as heavily as possible into the swing states, and then the swing districts that help them keep the House, that win the Senate, and then other key races. So we'll start from the top. We've been talking endlessly about the Arizona governor's race. Arizona is so critical for three major reasons. Number one, you have one of the easiest flips back for a Republican governor race, meaning that we have big Andy Biggs to take out one of the weakest governors in the country, and Katie Hobbes, who refuses to debate, hasn't debated in over twenty five hundred days. Really, yeah, she's a total mess if you've ever heard her high pitched voice. But in addition to that and the obvious that's there is Arizona is the most critical state to win in twenty twenty eight. If Republicans lose Arizona, over two thirds of all of our chances to win the presidency go out the win. 00:55:42 Speaker 3: Explain that what you're saying there, because I've heard you say that stat So you're basically breaking down that there's multiple different routes to get to seventy and two thirds of them require Arizona to work. 00:55:54 Speaker 13: Yeah, So, for our listeners that are new, it takes two hundred and seventy Electoral College votes to win the presidency. There's only so many combinations that can happen. More than two thirds of all the combinations require you to win Arizona. So losing Arizona means you lose statistically the presidency in twenty twenty eight, So setting ourselves up in twenty twenty six to win in twenty twenty eight is hugely important. Another really important piece to this is that two of the arguable fifteen or sixteen demand upon who you listen to swing districts for House for the House of Representatives are in Arizona. 00:56:33 Speaker 6: We're one of the only states the health swing districts at this point. 00:56:35 Speaker 7: So we're one state reach. 00:56:37 Speaker 13: We're not only one of the only ones that has one, we have two, and we only have nine congressional districts. 00:56:43 Speaker 7: So we have the highest. 00:56:44 Speaker 13: Per capita number of swing districts of any state. Okay, so we're a swing state. We gotta win for twenty twenty eight, and we have two. And so the two in Arizona that are super important. One is vacated by David Schweiker, who's running a horrible race against Andy Biggs. He's losing by about fifteen. 00:57:00 Speaker 2: He's vacated, so he's off the table. 00:57:01 Speaker 7: He's out, he's struggled. 00:57:03 Speaker 13: He had some really bad, really bad things happened in the news. We won't get into it, but you know, people are kind of happy to be done with him. Jay Feely, who was the kicker for the Cardinals, is running in that district. Joe Chaplick, who has been on the Freedom Caucus in Arizona at the state level, is running in that district. And so you have a them duking it out for the primary, and then you got to win and keep that seat. The second is Wan Siscamani. So Wan doesn't have a primary. He's running against one of the toughest Democrats I think in the country. In his district covers kind of Pinal County, so where Mark Lamb is from, Sheriff Mark Lamb, where he's the sheriff all the way down to Tucson and kind of the northern area of Tucson, which. 00:57:47 Speaker 2: Is not not Maga country so much. 00:57:51 Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, look, the outside of Arizona is kind of a funny place where it's either it's deep, deep dark blue, it's kind of radically blue or in the deep barriers, or it's radically red. And so the tough part is is Wan Siscimani is kind of comes from the more moderate realm, and so he attracts some people away from the moderate left if you can, if you'll say that, but he has a beautiful family. 00:58:16 Speaker 7: Awesome. 00:58:17 Speaker 13: Uh, but you know it's parts of his district are pretty deep red and so you have to you have to work really. 00:58:23 Speaker 2: Hard to get Also, like, is it like an R one R five? 00:58:27 Speaker 7: Yeah, it depends upon how you look at it. 00:58:29 Speaker 13: We'll call it. We'll round up to R plus five, Okay, But some make the arguments it's basically an R plus. 00:58:34 Speaker 2: One, yes, And it's basically a fifty to fifty. 00:58:37 Speaker 13: And in Arizona one, the one David Swikert's leaving is in most ratings is an R plus one or in a deady even it's fifty to fifty. 00:58:46 Speaker 2: That's like the Scottsdale one. 00:58:47 Speaker 13: So so Kamala actually won that district. David Schweikert won that district. 00:58:53 Speaker 3: Okay, So j J. Feeley's gotta gotta got a challenge, gotta challenge. That's a Scott stiale though, right. 00:58:59 Speaker 7: Yep, so Scott. You know. 00:59:01 Speaker 13: Jay Feely has been endorsed by all the major sports sports elites across the state of Arizona. Many of the members of the two thousand and one championship team for the World Series team for the Arizona Diamondbacks, many of the members obviously of the Cardinals organization. 00:59:22 Speaker 2: We've endorsed him. 00:59:23 Speaker 13: The Cardinals I've actually just moved their headquarters from Tempe and they're building one in Scottsdale, which would be in that district. So it's it's kind of it's relevant the other races to watch, and these ones are I'm going to kind of kind of whip through these really quickly. Derek Van Orden, who is running to protect his seat on the western side of Wisconsin, is in a getting attack like crazy, incredibly important race to win. If I think if we lose this race, many other races will lose in the country. So this is one of those where it's kind of race I'm calling at a bell weather because we need Derek Van ordon to stay in place. He's a strong candidate, has a decent amount of money, but conservatives have to show up in the rules of Wisconsin. 01:00:11 Speaker 3: Is he is he more rock rib conservative, more moderate candidate? 01:00:15 Speaker 7: More moderate? 01:00:15 Speaker 13: Okay, a more moderate, But again I think right now what you're seeing in Wisconsin is the moderates and conservatives are working together. Tom Tiffany is is the nominee effectively for governor, who is a freedom Caucus member. You have Derek Van Orden, who is not he's more moderate, but everybody's working together. 01:00:35 Speaker 3: But he hasn't been a problem, right, He's not like a he's not like a bacon or something out of. 01:00:41 Speaker 13: You know, no, yeah, no, but not by any means. He's been awesome and he works together. He's worked really well with us, and we've been promoting him like like crazy. I want to give a shout out. Not in every state does Americans for Prosperity do a. 01:00:55 Speaker 7: Lot of good work. 01:00:55 Speaker 13: Right now, they're doing a lot of good work with Tom Tiffany and Derek Van Orden, and so we like to see that that's really. 01:01:00 Speaker 7: That's really positive, all right. 01:01:02 Speaker 13: Next one Pennsylvania Scott Perry, remember the Freedom Caucus. 01:01:06 Speaker 2: He's great. 01:01:07 Speaker 13: He is one of the guys that we absolutely have to defend. He typically doesn't get a ton of outside support, but absolutely absolutely have to defend his his seat in Pennsylvania. If there's any if there's out of there's very few people I say give direct money to. Scott Perry is one of those people that you want to send money to and to help. He's a phenomen He's like Andy Biggs in Pennsylvania. 01:01:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're gonna get all these guys on the show. We'll do this in quick work so you guys can get to know them. But that Scott Perry's a phenomenal patriot. 01:01:37 Speaker 2: Next one in Iowa. 01:01:38 Speaker 13: Do we have two races of Iowa Marionette Miller Meeks who won infamously her race by just a handful of votes, I think of six votes. Yeah, we helped we this was during COVID. We actually showed up with students for Trump, knocked doors for her, and she barely won. And the argument was as if we didn't show upcause nobody else was showing up, she may not have won. Originally, got to retain her seats. Who's a younger guy, is awesome. We got to protect his seat in Iowa. So those two races again a little bit more similar to Derek van Or a little bit more moderate, but they've been right there with voting with the President, voting with the Republican Conference and have done a great job. Michigan seven, this was actually a flip from last election, so this is a scary one. So where Derrek Van Ordon is kind of a Bellweather, Michigan seven is kind of a bellweather for the Democrats if they don't win this one back. This was Slotkin's seat, So Slotkin left to run for Senate and her district flipped to the Republicans with Tom Barrett. Tom Barrett's a young guy, younger guy, gotta protect him. He's kind of in the same camp again as Derrick Van Orden, a little bit more moderate. But that's a district that swung from kind of radical leftists to modern Republican. 01:02:55 Speaker 7: And if you lose this one. 01:02:57 Speaker 2: What's the makeup of Michigan seven? Where's it? Where's it? 01:03:00 Speaker 9: So? 01:03:01 Speaker 13: The actually, so Trump won this district, So this is kind of the opposite of AZ one where Trump won this district. But and Republicans have won this district in the past, and it's kind of it's tilt. 01:03:11 Speaker 7: Republican is a demicat that is. 01:03:13 Speaker 2: A dead heat district. But every single race back and forth. 01:03:16 Speaker 13: It goes back and forth, back and forth. Lastly, I'll kind of touch upon this. Uh, Marcy Captor, it looks like is going to have the toughest time retaining her seat. She's a Democrat in Ohio nine. This is a really important seat because this is a border. 01:03:33 Speaker 2: Martia chapter is a Democrat. 01:03:35 Speaker 13: Democrat. Derek Maren is the Republican who ran last time. 01:03:38 Speaker 2: That's the that's the dem We want her. 01:03:40 Speaker 13: Out, got to get her out. She's in Ohio nine. Derek Maren is the Republican. He ran last time, barely lost, and we have to get him the win. 01:03:49 Speaker 3: Oh so this is his second time running then, so he's got some good name id, built up some momentum. I actually love those races where a guy barely you know, loses, comes back, tries it again and wins. 01:03:59 Speaker 13: Yeah, and so he has a real good shot at this New Hampshire. Senate Johnson, who got endorsed by President Trump, has a real chant. This is a under the radar, fly, under the radar race that we're working really hard at. 01:04:11 Speaker 2: This new new race. 01:04:12 Speaker 3: I want to get some clarity on this because you know, we were talking with Brown before. 01:04:20 Speaker 2: What happened? What was the backstory there that you can share? 01:04:23 Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, look, so you know Scott Brown, who was former US Senator from Massachusetts. From Massachusetts, he ran about a decade ago in New Hampshire. 01:04:33 Speaker 3: He took over at Kennedy's seat originally in Massachusetts. This was a big deal where they broke the sixty vote supermajority that they had. 01:04:41 Speaker 2: Basically, you know, philibuster. 01:04:43 Speaker 6: It's hard to remain a career Republican in massachusettsh exactly. 01:04:46 Speaker 2: But it was a huge, huge story. 01:04:48 Speaker 13: Anyways, Yeah, he moved to New Hampshire. You know, he lived right on the border, moved to New Hampshire, ran about ten years ago, lost just barely, and has kind of been working towards running a in this year. We hope Scott's uh incredibly. I think he's a good conservative. 01:05:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, the grassroots really likes him. 01:05:08 Speaker 13: The grassroots likes him. The President came in and endorsed to New uh not that long ago, and uh New New to his credit is it's not Governor who's more moderate. He's the brother of Governor So who is arguably more conservative. 01:05:26 Speaker 2: Right. 01:05:27 Speaker 13: But you know, to that point, it's like all the polling is shown, particularly after the President's endorsement, plus the money, plus the name idea plus the new new name ID is that they're there. So uh, turning point. Just recently, you know, we had had conversations. I think we have a good relationship with Scott Brown. I hope Scott stays in the fight because I think that he would make a really great, you know, next time candidate. And that's all. 01:05:51 Speaker 2: You were behind this. 01:05:52 Speaker 3: I remember you were the one that set up all the meetings and you know that's when I got to meet Scott and Charlie met Scott. 01:05:58 Speaker 2: You were behind all that. 01:05:59 Speaker 3: So I understand your personal you know, affection for the guy and belief in his political futures. So, you know, but Sonunu, to your point, the polling is radically in favor of Snudu, especially after Trump's endorsement. 01:06:13 Speaker 2: At the end of the day, you have to make a calculation. 01:06:15 Speaker 3: New Hampshire's the state that has not sent anybody to d C from the conservative side in a while, but they on the state level, they tend to be conservative, that's right, Yeah, so we gotta flip the script and get a conservative there. 01:06:29 Speaker 13: It's the hallmark Democrats taking advantage of Republicans by targeting mass targeting the state, both with on the redistricting front, which is what they did to begin with in the beginning of this decade with Congress and then overlaying tons of money and center races, and so you have a republican arguably republican state and New Hampshire is very similar to Arizona, where it's really close, really close. You come here and it feels Republican. There's a lot of Republican things that go on here, like yeah, permitless concealed care, school choice which they call constitutional, feels school choice you have. It's it's very suburban, all those things. But again, the Democrats are smart. They take advantage of redistrict ain't similar to New Hampshire. Arizona's the same. You get a lot of swing districts, so they flood a lot of money and for the congressional races, you flood a lot of simultaneous money into the Senate races, and guess what happens. They win federal races. 01:07:31 Speaker 7: While everything else goes red. 01:07:32 Speaker 6: Well, it's also New Hampshire's a it's a very swingy state. It's uh, it's one of the white it's one of the whitest states, and so white voters there's more swing voter they go back and forth more often. Uh, It's it's just an odd state. It's it's you get this with Iowa a bit too. It's got the annual presidential primary race. Means the big candidates are. 01:07:52 Speaker 7: There all of the time. 01:07:53 Speaker 6: And a friend of mine who's experienced and this says, as a result, they like politics a little bit too much sometimes and so that can affect how things go. It does make them again, it contributes to them being swingy about things, getting really invested in it. 01:08:07 Speaker 2: Uh, it's an odd state. That's probably one of the most unusual states. 01:08:10 Speaker 3: Again, you can't under underscore this enough. That there's more registered Republicans in that state than there are Democrats, and it's the independence that really swing it back one way. 01:08:19 Speaker 2: Or the other. 01:08:20 Speaker 3: How are how are we seeing the independent vote play out right now, Tyler? Is there any initial polling? Can you see that they're more in the new News camp or what are you seeing on the independent front? 01:08:32 Speaker 13: Yeah, So this is a reminder again and we'll talk a lot more about this through the election cycle. Mid terms in particular, you have the independent vote. Vote is is fickle, so you pull, you. 01:08:43 Speaker 7: Pull, you pull. 01:08:44 Speaker 13: But remember turnout with independence is far lower, substantially lower in a mid term than it is in the presidential. So a presidential you see much higher levels of turnout, particularly amongst the independence and there's this fallacy of this, like every independent voter is a swing voter. For some reason, on the Republican side, we think of independence of like, oh, well, we get to win those people every time. The reality is that most independents either categorize themselves as a pretty much all the time Democrat or pretty much all the time Republican voter. And then there's a small fraction of those independent. 01:09:21 Speaker 7: Voters that are swing voters. 01:09:22 Speaker 13: Now in midterms, those true swing voters are even less likely to show up, right, So you know, and again you don't want to dismiss them. You want to work on that pocket. But you have to substantially look at each state and what do they make up are they Are they five percent of the vote? 01:09:40 Speaker 7: Are they three percent of the vote? Are they eight percent of the vote? 01:09:43 Speaker 13: In most cases it's sub ten percent. 01:09:45 Speaker 3: Really, even in a state like New Hampshire that the more registered independence than either party. 01:09:50 Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, look, Arizona's the same right now. You have more independence here than of either party, and states like North Carolina you have tons of independence, but again they're far less likely to show up. And you have to keep in mind there's a factor of independence who are not Republican because they feel they're too conservative. 01:10:11 Speaker 7: For the Republican Party. 01:10:13 Speaker 13: There's a there's a there's a faction of Democrats that leave become independents because they feel the party is too moderate for them, right, And so you have and in these states again you have an entire ecosystem for Republicans, with a New Hampshire that kind of view themselves as more libertarian, and so there are libertarian leaning Republicans that gets swayed to certain ways. And I would say the Massy race today actually play takes a huge toll on a state like New Hampshire, where there will be some negativity if Massy loses. 01:10:49 Speaker 6: We saw that, we had an email from someone who said, if Massy loses, they plan to vote Democrat this fall, which we think is fundamentally deranged. That is an insane point of you to take when you see what the actual Democratic agenda is for America. But it is a take we've seen. We can't hide the fact that that is occurring. 01:11:07 Speaker 3: Well, I just find it fascinating as well that in New Hampshire, like Arizona, you basically let's just say you have a third, a third or third registered, a third Republican, third Democratic. It's about independent, but it only counts for up ten percent of the vote. 01:11:20 Speaker 2: Yep, that's wild. 01:11:22 Speaker 13: Well, and again it depends, it's it's kind of depends on the whole thing. Well, my point was, it's about ten percent or less of the independence are swing. 01:11:34 Speaker 7: Does that make sense? Not that they make. 01:11:36 Speaker 13: Up ten percent of the of the vote, but in most states, you know, depending upon what you look at, it's it's it's sub twenty five percent, it sub twenty percent in some cases of the turnout because the turnout is just so bad, because they're. 01:11:50 Speaker 7: Not as engaged. 01:11:51 Speaker 13: Well midterms, they may not get an early ballot. They may not because they didn't vote in the primary. A lot of the things that they do they make them hopitual. 01:12:00 Speaker 3: We're going to bring in all these candidates on the show in the coming weeks, and we want you to support them. They are the must watch races, and in many cases, we're going to tell you support directly to their campaign. 01:12:10 Speaker 2: Send the money directly to their campaign. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.