No Amnesty! + When Is A Joke Too Far?

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Here I am. 00:00:46 Speaker 2: Lord, use me. 00:00:48 Speaker 3: Buckle up, everybody. 00:00:49 Speaker 2: Here we go. 00:00:56 Speaker 1: Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of The Charlie Kirk Show. a company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investments at noblegoldinvestments.com. That is noblegoldinvestments.com. 00:01:17 Speaker 2: Whoa, what a weekend. What a weekend it was. Lots of news being made over the weekend, and we're going to get to all of it. We have a jam-packed show. I'm Andrew Kolva, joined by Blake Neff. We're live in Phoenix, Arizona. from the Y Refi Studios. Okay, I'm just going to list out some of the things that are on my mind this morning. And we're going to start with what I think are the two actually most important for the country, but there's so much juicy stuff. Amnesty Talk. That happened. Okay, President Trump had an interview with 60 Minutes. Jensen Wong, the CEO of NVIDIA, one of the most important geopolitical firms on the planet, obviously, because they make the chips. That make AI work and it's a massive, massive national security risk. He apparently was in an affair with a Chinese spy. So that's something that's going on. Dave Chappelle mocking Charlie's death. Jennifer Welch and the, I don't know, Angie Sullivan, I guess is her co-host name. Also mocking Charlie's death and a massive sponsor boycott of that program. Scott Galloway is, we now call him affectionately the car crapper. 00:02:28 Speaker 3: The car crapper. 00:02:28 Speaker 2: Car crapper, Scott Galloway. And he's also, he's calling for the execution of Elon. I mean, there's just so much going on. 00:02:39 Speaker 3: And the trial date for Tyler Robinson is getting set today. 00:02:43 Speaker 2: It's getting set today, and that's at 1 o'clock Mountain Time. So that will not happen during our show, but we will be covering that tomorrow, obviously. You know, on top of that, Thomas Massey is apparently going to file articles of impeachment today against Pete Hegseth, Secretary of War. Democrats are going crazy. All hell's breaking loose. Dogs and cats living together. And we're going to cover it all. But we've got to get into this amnesty story as the first place we start. I'm going to play the clip that President Trump had, and then we'll explain what we think is really going on here. Sot 7. 00:03:21 Speaker 4: Do you think immigration hurt you in the midterm? Do you think the crackdown hurt you? 00:03:25 Speaker 5: I think it both helped and hurt. 00:03:26 Speaker 6: I get hurt because we also took people that had good jobs, that created one violation for breaking of the law, and that was that they came into the country illegally. Now, there is a large part of the country that think that they should be put out, and there's a large part of the country that think that they should be allowed to stay. 00:03:46 Speaker 5: If they're good people. 00:03:47 Speaker 6: Working in a landscaping company or working in a hotel or doing something, right? And in some cases, paying taxes. And there's a large group of people think that they should be allowed to stay. 00:03:59 Speaker 4: So you think your deportation policy went too far? I think it was too tough. It was too tough. 00:04:03 Speaker 6: I think it might be too tough, yeah. 00:04:05 Speaker 7: So there's a lot of back and forth on this. This is, of course, this actually apparently was recorded just minutes before he turned around and made Stephen Miller. 00:04:13 Speaker 3: The architect of deportations is chief of staff. 00:04:15 Speaker 2: We're being told this is in the morning, 10, 1030. And then at 130, Stephen Miller was. 00:04:21 Speaker 3: Appointed chief of staff. 00:04:22 Speaker 7: So you don't want to overreact to this. But at the same time, understandably, there's a lot of concern about this. If you look at the polls, among people whose biggest concern was immigration policy in the midterms, they actually voted decisively for Republicans. It was on every other issue that people were dissatisfied with. Immigration was not polling at the top of what people were worried about in the election overall. The people who were voting Democrat were saying cost of living concerns. They were saying the war. They were saying government corruption. They were not citing the immigration crackdown. And that's notably in contrast to 2018, for example, where the left did make immigration a big issue and it did seem to hurt the president superficially. 00:05:05 Speaker 3: Not the case this time. 00:05:07 Speaker 7: So we want to set the stage with that, but then I think there's a lot of concern that there's probably people trying to get into the president's ear who are saying, Mr. President, it wasn't the war. It wasn't this other stuff. It was just the immigration stuff. It went a little too hard. And if you just dial it back, actually, it'll be really popular. 00:05:26 Speaker 2: How come I have this sneaking suspicion that the same people that encouraged him to bomb the hell out of Iran are now encouraging him to pass mass amnesty? It's like the revenge– Of the Bush era conservatives. And I wouldn't even call them conservatives, actually. Charlie, I think, had a really good pulse on this because obviously Charlie was talking with donor class all the time. He was talking with grassroots. So he was that conduit. Right. Listen to Charlie in July of 2025. This is prescient now. Sot 6. 00:05:56 Speaker 1: I got a couple phone calls from people that you would call members of the ruling class. There is a movement afoot as I am doing this broadcast. It is happening right now in Washington, D.C. And I can say this from first-hand experience, that people are pushing President Trump for amnesty. They are pushing him for mass legalization of illegals. 00:06:19 Speaker 7: And he had another, he was also tweeting about this around the same time, has a great one, throw up 139, and he was tweeting, in opposition to this operation by those ruling elites. There is no other issue the conservative base feels more passionately about than immigration. In just a few decades, everyday Americans have watched their country transform into a nation of strangers. We must deliver mass deportations, not amnesty. Even President Trump understood this. We've got a great Trump tweet from the archive. There's a tweet about everything. This is 2013, two years before he even descended the escalator. Amnesty is suicide for Republicans. Not one of those 12 million who broke our laws will vote Republican. Obama is laughing at the GOP. And he would be laughing even harder now because we know there was Biden wave. There's millions of extra people they let in and they try. They'll try to trick the president. They'll say something like it'll only be for people here 10 years or 15 years. But what's the line that they all love to call illegals? They love to call them undocumented. You know what will definitely not be documented? The exact day they arrived. They might say, oh, I got a license from California in 2021. But actually, I've been here since 2010. And I've been here since 2005. How come you don't speak English? 00:07:35 Speaker 3: Racist country. 00:07:36 Speaker 7: It was too racist for me to learn it. Or there will be a federal judge who will say, oh, you need to extend it in these cases. If one person in their family qualified, they all need to qualify. You just know this is how it will happen. And the reason we know this is they've done this before. The Reagan farm worker amnesty in the 1980s was supposed to be limited to a small group of people, and it ended up being many multiples. 00:07:58 Speaker 2: By the way, Blake, do you know when the amnesty was passed? 00:08:02 Speaker 3: Was it in his final two years? 00:08:05 Speaker 2: Yes, it was right after getting a little bit of a midterm shellacking himself. So that is a bad trend. Here's the silver lining. Now, I'm not saying this is going to happen. No hopium here. But I do believe that Stephen Miller is going to be a massively, massively positive force when it comes to immigration in this administration. And I know that he is laser focused on restoring the sovereignty of this country. So if President Trump's instincts or if other aides are pushing him this way, Stephen Miller is going to push him the other way. That's one thing. And this, you know, President Trump has actually said no amnesty for years. So the other reading of this clip is that President Trump is trying to soften the rhetoric because maybe it is a little bit of a liability when it came to some of the raids and things like that politically, not for the base, but for independence and things like that, which you need to win to win. 00:09:05 Speaker 3: A popular vote, okay? 00:09:07 Speaker 2: What we need to do is start focusing on the financial systems. If you aren't illegal here, And you're using our banks and you're using Social Security. We need to make it almost impossible for you to stay so that they want to push that orange button that Secretary Mullen says is on all the iPads. 00:09:25 Speaker 3: If President Trump wants to be nicer with rhetoric, OK. 00:09:28 Speaker 7: But we talked about how whatever people say, he is a promise keeper and he promised deportations and no amnesty. 00:09:34 Speaker 2: He did. 00:09:34 Speaker 3: I think he should hold to that. 00:09:36 Speaker 2: We got a ton of emails. So the amnesty thing you guys just exploded on. 00:09:41 Speaker 3: Instantly sent in a bunch. We exploded on it. 00:09:43 Speaker 2: I knew this was going to happen. 00:09:43 Speaker 7: Jacob says, Blake and Andrew, please talk to your friends in the admin if Trump grants amnesty. This will be the ultimate betrayal. Michelle says, gentlemen, Charlie would call Trump on critical issues to give him the voice of the people. For example, the mass deportations you are speaking about now. for the sake of our country we still demand mass deportations we're for legal immigration not illegal full stop i'll just i i would i don't even i would do a moratorium on legal immigration 100 which. 00:10:11 Speaker 2: They are i like i liken it to a thanksgiving meal you've had a big huge old meal And now we need some time to digest it. 00:10:19 Speaker 7: Got to digest it. Cindy says, E-Verify is the law of the land. Mandate that if your employer isn't E-Verified, you can't deduct anything from their wages. Jobs for illegals would dry up. Anthony says, I think Andrew's right about the clip from 2025. I think the same people see an opening to get amnesty through now. We should not stop deportations. We just need to organize it better. He's citing Ashley Moody said we might do that. Christy says, those who are coming to our country and doing it the right way should be allowed to stay. Those who are breaking our laws, no. We have laws. We must enforce them. Philip says, good people with a good job. Those good jobs belong to Americans, not foreigners. There are billions of good people in the world. We shouldn't let them all in. 00:11:02 Speaker 2: Amen. 00:11:03 Speaker 3: And then Cecily says, no amnesty. 00:11:06 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:11:06 Speaker 2: And no data centers. 00:11:07 Speaker 3: No data. Actually, she says, no amnesty and then data centers. So maybe it's both. Maybe, yes, data centers. 00:11:12 Speaker 2: You know what's interesting about data centers? Just a small aside. There was polling that came out that if the data centers shared the wealth, meaning they could help lower taxes, property taxes, maybe lower your utility rates, that they went from like a negative 41 approval rating to plus 15. And by the way, Elon Musk kind of thinks that the anti-data center thing is going to blow over. We'll see. 00:11:37 Speaker 3: It definitely has elements of hysteria to it. 00:11:40 Speaker 7: What's interesting is they do say that, oh, if they abate property taxes or whatever, people would support it. 00:11:45 Speaker 3: In practice, in towns, they've blown up. 00:11:47 Speaker 7: Did you see that SpaceX video where they're like offering these huge array of benefits and everyone's just losing their minds? 00:11:53 Speaker 3: I don't know. 00:11:54 Speaker 2: We'll see. 00:11:54 Speaker 3: We'll see. 00:11:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sort of like whatever the people want, but we can't be PSYOP by China either because they're just going to own all the data centers. So we got to find a way through. And by the way, you know. I do think eventually most of the data center processing power is going to be in space. So we'll see if SpaceX can deliver that. 00:12:11 Speaker 7: I think a winning way to do it, I think, we've got those Trump accounts. What if Trump just, what if we made a big case, every AI-related company, you basically have shares of it going into people's Trump accounts or some sort of sovereign wealth fund, and you just strongly encourage them to be dividend-paying companies? And then it's like everyone's getting a dividend from America's AI companies every month. 00:12:30 Speaker 8: Yeah. 00:12:31 Speaker 2: Well, we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. It's not my number one issue, but I understand a lot of you feel passionate about it. Listen, here's the deal. Amnesty, it's a non-starter, okay? And we got to wrap up the Iran war. That's all very, very true. I want to take your attention, though, really quickly. And by the way, to the one email that says Charlie used to tell the president what the base was thinking, I'll just be super blunt. I've sent all of this, all of my thoughts to Charlie. Stephen and Katie Miller and myself. Whether they listen to them or not, I don't know. But I can almost guarantee you they're already very aware of the base's reaction. So, this other story that we're not going to have a whole lot of time to get to, but it's really, really important. And then we're going to get into all the cultural stuff. But this is really important about AI as well. And this is Jensen Wang. He's the CEO of NVIDIA. He has apologized to everybody at his company, mass email, for going outside of his marriage, having an affair with what turns out to be a Chinese spy. Now, we are told that he didn't know she was a Chinese spy. Danny, you need to pull the images. 00:13:43 Speaker 7: I feel like he could have paid someone to find that one out. Might have been able. 00:13:48 Speaker 3: To use his brain. 00:13:48 Speaker 2: When you see this gal. 00:13:51 Speaker 3: I think that image was AI-generated, actually. 00:13:53 Speaker 2: I think there's multiple... Okay, maybe. This is an AI story. Maybe this was AI. But he's had a longtime wife, a very sweet-looking lady, older and that sort of thing. And then, lo and behold, he gets this really young Chinese girl, has an affair. Why is this important? He then gives this Chinese gal a $ 2 billion contract to move Chips. And if you know anything about the AI world, getting access to chips is very hard. NVIDIA's orders are basically dated out 10 years. 00:14:35 Speaker 3: If you've noticed that a new computer costs twice what it used to, that's why. 00:14:38 Speaker 2: It's because of the chips. It's very, very hard to get chips. This gal gets a $ 2 billion contract out of nowhere to move chips. Also, why this is important. There is a lot of speculation... around jensen wang because i do believe he's taiwanese born but he's american and he is at the intersection of the most critical resource when it comes to the ai race and that's chips and he has been lobbying washington dc to allow him to sell chips to china now. 00:15:13 Speaker 3: Big advanced chips what's that pretty advanced. 00:15:16 Speaker 2: Pretty advanced chips now the sales pitch was that these are going to be a And they're going to be slightly degraded, or somewhat degraded. 00:15:24 Speaker 3: Do you think his Chinese girlfriend maybe gave him those talking points? 00:15:28 Speaker 2: This is all the question, okay? Yeah, so this is the gal that he apparently had an affair with, pictured right there. And there was rumblings within the Intel community about this situation for a while. And the fact that it was very odd that this young woman got a $ 2 billion contract to sell NVIDIA chips. 00:15:49 Speaker 5: So. 00:15:50 Speaker 2: That's the question. And I'd love to hear your guys' response. There's a lot of people within the tech industry that are standing behind Jensen Huang. I know that for our Real America's Voice audience, you've been hearing Steve Bannon. Steve Bannon is convinced that Jensen Huang is playing both sides. And I think there is a serious reason to investigate this further because there is no other industry that is this critically important to the future of the AI race than computing power and chips. And so China would love nothing more than to get their hands on the most advanced chips to defeat the West when it comes to the AI race. And you've already got deep seek and all this stuff. It's a very, very troubling story. It's a huge, huge story. And don't let it get missed in the midst of, you know, Jennifer Welch boycott, sponsorship boycotts or Dave Chappelle. All of that stuff is critically important to the spiritual health and the moral health of our nation. But this is really critically important to the national security of our nation. So I would love to hear your thoughts. Is he a good guy? Is he on team red, white, and blue? Or is he on team CCP? Is he playing both sides? Is he just an entrepreneur that wants to maximize profits for his shareholders? I think these are all fair questions, and I'm open to watching this story go on. I would be very, very sad and disappointed to find out if Jensen Wang was actually an agent of the CCP. But he says he didn't know. People like Elon Musk and others in the tech world are standing behind him, saying he was duped, that it was an unknowing moral failure, but not a national security breach, at least knowingly. So we'll see where that plays out. 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Think clearly. Lead boldly. Carry it forward at charlieforhillsdale.com. We have the one, the only Frank Turek. Welcome back, my friend. It's so good to see you, and thanks for making time for us today. 00:18:43 Speaker 4: Andrew and Blake, always good to see you. How are you guys doing? 00:18:46 Speaker 2: Well, you know, go ahead. 00:18:48 Speaker 3: I mean, let's be real. 00:18:50 Speaker 7: Events of the past week have been tough, both electorally and obviously with the personal, those attacks on Charlie that we saw. But I think a lot about, honestly, what Charlie would tell us. We have to also be focused on things eternal. The most important things in our life are not politics. It is not whether you win or lose an election is important for your country, but it is not what will decide the fate of your immortal soul. 00:19:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, I sort of have like a whole different thing that I'm wrestling through in my mind. And I'm not trying to make any of this about Israel, candidly. I literally could want to talk about no subject less. But it reminds me of after October 7th, how the world turns on Israel, right? You could argue some of that was justified, but it was instant, okay? And I'm not saying any of it was justified. I'm just saying that's the debate I want to get into. But it was instant. Like within hours, people were protesting on college campuses. And it does strike me as a parallel because you see what happens to Charlie. Horrible, horrible. murder. Everybody's seen the video. I hate it. It still is galling to me. And yet, 14 months after, he's still getting potshots from nasty people. What is that? Frank Torres. 00:20:05 Speaker 9: I think it can only be demonic, just to be honest about this, because, look, Jesus and the apostles called Satan a murderer, liar, accuser, and slanderer who seeks to steal, kill, and destroy. We had a murder 14 months ago. What have we had since? Lies, accusations, and slander seeking to steal, kill, and destroy. And now you've got Dave Chappelle, who, by the way, I don't know if you know this, but he claims to be a Muslim. Coming out at Madison Square Garden the other night saying, I feel better that Charlie Kirk has been murdered. He said, I know I shouldn't say that, but I am going to say it. You know, I wonder how he would feel if he was there like Blake and I were and actually saw Charlie Kirk murdered. Or I wonder how he'd feel if he saw a friend of his murdered like Blake and I saw Charlie murdered. 00:20:51 Speaker 4: I wonder how he'd feel. 00:20:53 Speaker 9: You know, in reality, the issue here is that Christianity, Jesus tells us to love our enemies. Now, obviously, if they're enemies, they don't agree with us. Obviously, if they're enemies, we probably don't feel good about them. But we're commanded to love our enemies, which means we seek what's best for them according to. 00:21:11 Speaker 4: The will of God. Not my will, not your will, but his will. 00:21:15 Speaker 9: And that's the difference between Christianity and every other worldview. The worldview that animates the left, whether it's atheism, whether it's Marxism, whether it's Islam now, none of those worldviews tell you to love your enemy. None of those worldviews tell you to seek what's best for the other person. 00:21:31 Speaker 4: None of those. 00:21:31 Speaker 9: Worldviews have the kind of moral commands that are imposed upon them that are imposed upon Christians. 00:21:39 Speaker 5: And so. 00:21:40 Speaker 4: If you want to see what Christianity is all about, just. 00:21:43 Speaker 9: Go back to Erica 14 months ago, standing in front of hundreds of thousands of people, millions of people watching online. And she forgives the murderer of her husband. That's Christianity. You don't see that in these other worldviews. 00:21:58 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:21:59 Speaker 2: And I want to be clear on the Dave Chappelle thing, because there's other there's two other stories here, I think, that are relevant. And that's the Jennifer Welch one where they're giggling at exhuming Charlie's body and shooting him again, which is just... And they can't stop laughing. And then there's the Scott Galloway clip where he wants to execute Elon Musk, calls him a traitor to the West. And then you see the polling of the political violence problem. I just want to be very clear. When it comes to comics, and we're going to have a whole conversation about this next hour, but just while we're on the topic, I give comics a wide berth, a very wide berth. I do not get outraged by comics. I refuse to. As a matter of fact, I think this is a setup. They want us to fall into this trap. For 10 years, the left has been clutching their pearls about everything Shane Gillis says or any of these comics. And listen, I think comics actually have a really powerful role in society. They can reveal truth. They can critique culture. They enrage both sides. 00:23:08 Speaker 5: Yep. 00:23:08 Speaker 2: I just think at some point there is a line and the line is like, don't advocate for, you know, murder. Don't glorify political violence. Don't, you know, say you feel better when somebody has murdered. OK. And, you know, I think Dave Chappelle's critique is for in his mind is some sort of tie in with George Floyd. OK, George Floyd. Think of him. I can think of a few differences. There was a quite a few differences between the two men. okay? One was resisting arrest, has a history of drug use, you know, did some, I don't know, held a gun up to a pregnant woman. I don't even care about any of that stuff. The bottom line is, Charlie was an innocent man, a God-fearing man, obviously a titan of his generation, a titan of at least half the country, if not more, an icon for Gen Z, and he's innocent in this. He was just doing what the country allows you to do, which is debate ideas freely in the public square. So regardless of comparing and contrasting, they're nothing alike. To say you feel better when somebody is cut down at 31 years old by an assassin's bullet is a really, really harsh thing to say. But I refuse to be outraged by it. Go ahead. Yes, please. 00:24:30 Speaker 4: I was going to say, Andrew, he has a right to say it. I'm not saying he doesn't have a right to say it. 00:24:34 Speaker 9: What I am saying, though, is we have a right to criticize it and say that it's wrong. He has a moral right to say what he said, but it's not everything you say is moral and not everything you say doesn't have consequences. Certainly with the Welch situation, she is not entitled to have sponsors. 00:24:54 Speaker 4: She's not entitled to have any sponsor. 00:24:56 Speaker 9: And so if a sponsor like Cash App says, hey, I can't support this. And they pull out, she has no right to say, well, that's wrong. 00:25:02 Speaker 4: You can't do that. 00:25:04 Speaker 8: No. 00:25:04 Speaker 9: When you sponsor a program like Patriot mobile sponsors, uh, to Charlie Kirk show, if, if they decide that they don't want to sponsor it anymore, we Charlie Kirk show doesn't have a right to have that as a sponsor. So, I don't want to cancel people by saying you don't have a right to say what you say. You do have a right to say with it, but that doesn't mean it's moral what you say. And it doesn't mean there aren't financial consequences when you say it. 00:25:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I agree. And they and they can fight back. I just want to be very clear about this as well. I was not they made an accusation that I was coordinating this boycott. I'll play the clip, actually. Here we go. SOT 16. 00:25:43 Speaker 10: There's a huge online cancellation campaign from all that. babies over at turning point why is turning point spearheading this they are in big trouble even republicans are starting to question are they worth it they're trying to ignite a war with us because they want to prove to their donors we can cancel libs this is the guy that leads the charge over at turning point he says if they apologize for being part of a toxic and evil culture that perpetuates violence against conservatives i might actually be willing to listen andrew We're never, ever going to sit down and listen to you. When we apologize for laughing at a joke on our podcast, that wasn't for you. That was for us. And that apology was so that when I advocate for common sense gun reform, that I'm doing it clean and clear. 00:26:33 Speaker 2: Real quick pro tip to Jennifer Welch. Apologies are for the people you hurt. They're not for you. Unless you're a raging narcissist. But my feeling there was actually sincere, Frank. I said, listen, if they were actually apologizing, they gave this totally insulting apology. It wasn't an apology at all. If they were apologizing for, you know, laughing at this and perpetuating a culture that they don't want to be a part of, I would have been like, okay, fine. That's okay. Fair, fair enough. Like, thank you for saying that. It's all, it's all, this isn't hard. I'm not asking them to be conservatives. I'm not asking you to take right wing thoughts. No, the real tell is what she said. 00:27:20 Speaker 9: We're never going to talk to you, which is exactly the opposite of Charlie Kirk. 00:27:24 Speaker 5: Right. 00:27:25 Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk will talk to anyone. 00:27:27 Speaker 2: That's what that was. 00:27:27 Speaker 4: This whole deal. 00:27:28 Speaker 9: I will talk to I will give you the microphone in the front of the line. 00:27:34 Speaker 4: You come to the front of the line if you disagree. Let's have a conversation. 00:27:37 Speaker 9: The left doesn't want to have a conversation because their positions are built on feelings, not facts, in many cases, in most cases. How can you argue with feelings? 00:27:47 Speaker 4: You can't. 00:27:48 Speaker 9: You got to argue with facts. And Charlie brought the facts at the Charlie Kirk show. You and Blake bring the facts. They don't want to deal with facts. Facts convict them. They want to deal with feelings and outrage. I'm open to talking to anyone. You are open to talking. And you got to invite them on the show. Explain yourself. They won't because they don't have facts. They only have feelings. 00:28:10 Speaker 3: They have very. 00:28:11 Speaker 7: I mean, I think everything she says, it screams to the world that she has an extremely ugly soul. 00:28:18 Speaker 2: She is a repulsive creature. Many people are saying. 00:28:21 Speaker 3: Imagine having to have a Thanksgiving dinner with her. 00:28:25 Speaker 2: They're alleging, by the way, Frank, that I coordinated this. That I coordinated some big boycott. I didn't. I didn't contact a single brand. I didn't drop into customer service. I didn't send an email, a phone call, a tweet. None of that. All I did was post when the company's had severed ties with her. Because I have no problem with companies exercising their First Amendment right. But I didn't coordinate any. This is an organic grassroots movement, the people of America. And I think it's because, one, they were legitimately repulsed by what they saw. Two, they'd had enough. 14 months later, and this just keeps happening over and over and over. And people have finally had enough. And they wanted to do something about it. They wanted to take an actionable step. So maybe that's a good thing. Here's my question for you. I have a problem with sewing circle Christians that don't want to get their hands dirty, that don't want to get into the scrum. I get it. I don't want to have to fight. I don't want to have to argue with people. But maybe talk about that, Frank. What is the obligation of of a christian in this when we talk about moral decay erica's uh comments after the dave chappelle thing what is the responsibility of the christian right now whether they have an ex-account whether they have a you know any sphere of influence they. 00:29:52 Speaker 9: Have we're supposed to be salt and light that's a command that's not a suggestion We're supposed to demolish arguments and take every thought captive to Christ. That's a command, not a suggestion. We're supposed to be bold and courageous. That's not a command, or that's a command, not a suggestion. You know, Charlie always said that courage... was the first of all attributes, because without it, you won't do anything else. And it doesn't take any skill. All you have to do is do it. And the more people that actually stand up, it encourages other people to stand up. 00:30:23 Speaker 4: And so few people are doing it. Let's just take voting. 00:30:27 Speaker 9: People don't even have to know that you voted or who you voted for. But you saw that in the 2024 election— in fact, you tweeted about this, Andrew— In the 2024 election, 24% of the electorate were evangelical Christians. In this past last week election, it was 17%, which means millions of Christians stayed home. If you want to complain, as I do, about the results that just happened last week, lay it at the door of the pastors. Lay it at the door of the church, because the church did not even vote last And James says, if you know the right thing to do and you don't do it, that's a sin. 00:31:05 Speaker 2: How hard is it to vote? 00:31:07 Speaker 4: You got three weeks to vote. 00:31:08 Speaker 9: And you don't do it. I mean, we need to be engaged. We're the we're salt and light. We're the ones that need to do this. If we don't do this, guess who's going to do it? 00:31:17 Speaker 4: Atheists are going to do it. Socialists are going to do it. Muslims are going to do it. Socialists, Marxists are going. 00:31:22 Speaker 9: To do it. If we don't get involved, then the other side will. And we're going to see the bad results from from their policies. 00:31:31 Speaker 2: I think that's so well said. I mean, this is the question of our day right now. Evangelical Christians made up 24% of the electorate. Now we're down to 17%. And I think a lot of that is because people stayed home. Now, I've told the audience I'm still investigating accusations of voter fraud. I'm looking into it. I saw President Trump's truth social. But let's just brass tacks this right now. The more obvious thing, and we can see this, 151% Voter turnout by party ID. This is self-identification 2024 versus 2026. So that's a presidential to a midterm year, right? So you expect to see less voter turnout. What I can see right here is 54.1 million Republicans showed up in 2024. Only 40 million showed up in 2026. So that's a drop off of 14.1 million people. 14.1 million Republicans just didn't come out. And then you compound that with the fact that More Democrats came out by about 800,000, and the independent vote swung wildly in their favor. And by the way, we also had a bunch of Republican defections. So Republicans, even in this 40 million that voted in 2026, a lot of them were voting Dem. So before we run down that path, let's just address this issue here. Go ahead. 00:32:49 Speaker 9: We didn't have a lot of defections among the evangelicals that did vote. They still voted four to one for conservatives, for Republicans. It's just that fewer of them turned out. You know, Christians could control the outcome of every election in every state if they all voted and voted biblically. 00:33:06 Speaker 4: But they don't. It's our fault. 00:33:09 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it is. 00:33:11 Speaker 6: It is. 00:33:11 Speaker 3: And we run into, we talked about this, the frustration. There's so many bad people. 00:33:17 Speaker 7: Mind viruses that can get into Christians where they'll say, like, oh, I'm not engaged because, like, why do I even vote? Because, you know, Jesus is going to return and it's not going to matter. That's such a fundamentally unbiblical, unchristian attitude. 00:33:31 Speaker 2: To take towards humanity. Or they don't vote. You know, I see this from the pro-lifers. You know, God bless them. We love the pro-lifers, but some of them won't vote because, you know, there's still abortions happening, even though we've made a lot of progress on that front. So these little issues do chip away at the margins. And then remember, Christians are like everybody else. They still pay for gas. They still get frustrated by, you know, a war of choice. Frank, your thoughts? 00:34:01 Speaker 4: Yeah, they get frustrated by it. 00:34:03 Speaker 9: But if we take Jesus's cue in Matthew 23, 23, when he's talking to the politicians of his day, people say Jesus never got involved in politics. Oh, he certainly did. The Pharisees were the politicians. Some of them were on the Sanhedrin, the Jewish ruling council. Anyway, he says to them that you're neglecting the more important matters of the law. They were tithing their spices, but neglecting the more important matters of the law. 00:34:25 Speaker 4: The number one role of. 00:34:27 Speaker 9: Government, according to the Bible and common sense, is to punish wrongdoers to protect. 00:34:32 Speaker 4: Innocent people from evil. 00:34:34 Speaker 9: Because when you don't punish the guilty, you wind up punishing the innocent because you allow the guilty to continue to prey on the innocent. 00:34:42 Speaker 4: And it turns out that the big issues involved of safety. 00:34:46 Speaker 9: In our country have to do with killing children, mutilating children, open borders. And those are the three things that the Republicans are trying to reduce. They're trying to reduce abortion. They're trying to reduce child mutilation. They're trying to close the borders. And Democrats want to do the opposite. and yet we're going to worry about gas prices when, in fact, gas prices are not the central, most primary issue that a Christian should have in mind. 00:35:14 Speaker 4: Is it an issue? Of course it is. 00:35:16 Speaker 9: But is it an issue that the government is responsible for, and does it rise to the level of life? 00:35:21 Speaker 8: No. 00:35:22 Speaker 9: The right to life is the right to all other rights. If you don't have life, you don't have anything. And Jesus said, if you mislead or abuse any one of these little ones, these children, it would be better to have a millstone hung around your neck and be thrown into the sea But yet we don't think we think, oh, we're paying an extra dollar in gas that somehow that's more important than actually protecting innocent people from evil. 00:35:42 Speaker 4: We have our priorities wrong. We're not only not voting. We have our priorities wrong. 00:35:46 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:35:46 Speaker 2: Well, amen. And I think the admonishment to the to the church is important. And we need the church. We need the church. 00:35:53 Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. 00:35:54 Speaker 2: Could win every election. You're right in this country if it showed up. And we got to keep praying for that. And I will just say as a quick note, as we wrap up this hour. Some of the allegations after the midterm of insider dealing or any of that stuff, even on our own team, we need to be courageous enough to look that in the mirror, call it out. I'm letting some of that dust settle before I go off. But we also have to be statesmen of the highest caliber, and we have to have integrity on our own side as well. Frank Turek, crossexamined.org, one of the great apologists of our day and a truth speaker. Thank you, Frank. 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You start with something you know, and suddenly you're finding a whole new side of it that surprises you and leaves you wanting to know more. Your next discovery is waiting for you on TikTok. Learn more at TikTok.com slash discover more. We have such a treat in store for you this hour because, you know, comics and comedians and not so funny jokes were all over the news this weekend. I wanted to bring in two comedians and we have one ready and the other is about five minutes out. But we're going to have a whole hour of discussions about the culture war, about our comics. Where's the line? Is there a line? I think it's a really critically important part of the aesthetic on the right, of how we approach this issue. And I want to make sure that we don't give in to this outrage mob machine that will backfire on us if we handle it incorrectly. Here to help us unpack it is Bridget Phetasy. She, by the way, Bridget, welcome to the show. I'm so honored to have you. 00:38:21 Speaker 4: I have been following you. 00:38:23 Speaker 2: For a long time, and I've seen your Rogan stuff, and I read a lot of your work that comes out, and you're a writer. You describe yourself as a writer and a joker. You've done stand-up. Phetasy.com is your website, and we'll be talking about this through the hour. You're the author of an upcoming book, pre-order right now, The Left Camp Meme, and I love it. I think this is so important, How Comedy Wins Culture Wars. That subtitle is so powerful, and I think it's exactly what we need to talk about today. So everybody, I'm going to keep plugging the book, so please go pre-order. It's just launching today, so support Bridget's work. Yeah, it's right now. 00:39:06 Speaker 11: This is the cover launch, technically. 00:39:09 Speaker 5: Amen. 00:39:09 Speaker 2: I love it. Thank you. I'm very honored to be the show that gets to launch this for you. So Bridget, we all saw the news. Dave Chappelle said he feels good that Charlie was assassinated. Now, a couple things I just want to say up front. I haven't seen the whole bit. I don't know the context or any of that, so I am reserving some time. judgment but i did talk to a couple of people that were there that at the show and they said it was pretty straightforward they said it was kind of exactly what it sounds like and there was obviously the clip we didn't see the before the after i don't have access to that footage how should we respond how are you. 00:39:48 Speaker 12: Responding You know, I think like any human, I responded in the human way, which is, well, I guess there are many different ways to respond to this. But my initial personal reaction was, yuck. 00:40:05 Speaker 11: That's gross. 00:40:06 Speaker 12: You know, I and again, I reserve judgment because we haven't seen the full clip. 00:40:11 Speaker 11: Chappelle is a genius. He is known for. 00:40:14 Speaker 12: Long and winding premises that end up reversing and often making you the audience member fall into some kind of trap. He's done this many times. And it's tough when you see clips out of context. I have loved Chappelle forever and looked up to him as a comedian. He was, you know, he is also Famous for transgressing the more the whatever moral norms of. 00:40:41 Speaker 11: The group in power is. So he did this with the trans stuff. 00:40:45 Speaker 12: And famously, Charlie had his back even when somebody. 00:40:49 Speaker 11: Tried to attack him on stage. 00:40:52 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:40:53 Speaker 11: So initially seeing that it was a gross. I don't even know if there's a joke there. 00:41:00 Speaker 12: The audience laughs, you know, and we've been seeing a lot of this, of just everybody laughing at Charlie being assassinated, and I think it's disgusting. I agree with Erica Kirk that there's a moral decay. 00:41:16 Speaker 11: All of that being said, we. 00:41:20 Speaker 12: Are also coming out of 10 years of the Cry More Lib culture. 00:41:24 Speaker 11: And the right is ascendant and. 00:41:27 Speaker 12: Took the culture because they became the party that wasn't policing jokes. And the left became the party that was. So I think there are so many different things at play here. And you have to really separate. 00:41:42 Speaker 11: Them from, all right, that joke. Is there a line? Who gets to be the arbiter of what the line is in comedy? 00:41:52 Speaker 12: Are we the free speech party or are we not? This is a question the right has to ask themselves. What, what do you guys, what was your guys? How did you feel about it? I'm very curious. 00:42:02 Speaker 7: And now, so this has come up in other contexts before. Like we've talked about how Charlie's life is, is a meme in other ways. People, he's like a character in a lot of AI videos, there's song ads and people have asked what I think of that. And I say a lot of them, they don't land with me specifically, but, But I sort of appreciate them. I like that Charlie's an icon. Being an icon in any way does mean being fodder for comedy. In the same way we make jokes about Abraham Lincoln or George Washington. We should have room for jokes about Charlie. But this specifically, I had a friend who was at that show. And he said, I didn't actually see where the joke was. It seemed like it was just done to shock. And I do want to be wary of basically letting people say even the most appalling things like I like it when people I disagree with or like I like it when white guys get shot and murdered and then go, whoa, I'm a comedian. I'm doing a comedic bit because I think I've seen that before. 00:43:02 Speaker 2: Well, and so you asked how we felt. I mean, instantly I thought of the Bible verse and I posted about it that, you know, where Jesus is talking is like, hey, they hated me first. So if the world hates you, it's because you belong to me and the father. And I know Charlie was a man of God. And so I took refuge in that instantly. And then I just kind of thought I was just disappointed because I really enjoyed Dave Chappelle stand up through the years. And I knew Charlie thought that he was transgressive and in so many powerful ways and that we had his back and that he didn't have ours. And that, you know, maybe he hates Charlie. Because he wasn't pro-George Floyd. He didn't buy the whole narrative. And I guess that justifies him feeling these things. Honestly, the first reaction was I was just a little heartbroken. Because I wanted somebody like Dave Chappelle to get Charlie. To understand what he was doing. That he wasn't a hater. That he wasn't a racist. That he was transgressive like he is. Better, more godly. And the fact that instead he turned on him and attacked him, it was just a huge disappointment. Huge disappointment. And it's not like I don't want to police his speech, but I also think maybe the line is, don't celebrate murder. And I don't think that's asking too much. 00:44:35 Speaker 11: But again... If you're like him. 00:44:38 Speaker 1: Okay. 00:44:38 Speaker 11: So no one's supposed to have phones there. So you're worried. He's technically working out a bit. 00:44:44 Speaker 12: Let's just say that he's like, this wasn't supposed to be. 00:44:49 Speaker 11: So the reason that I am. 00:44:51 Speaker 9: Yeah. 00:44:51 Speaker 11: You're not going to, it takes a while. 00:44:53 Speaker 12: Especially for comedians like who take big risks with their material to comment on these things like murder in our culture and culture war stuff. 00:45:04 Speaker 11: It takes a lot of failing and, There. 00:45:07 Speaker 12: Was a great I think it was a Chris Rock interview that he did where he said comedy is the only art form where you have to fail publicly in order to get better at it. 00:45:17 Speaker 11: You can you can fail on your guitar privately. 00:45:20 Speaker 12: You can fail learning pretty much any art form very privately. And in comedy, you have to get out there and do your stuff in front of people now. You could argue, and a lot of people in my mentions are arguing, that this was just a victory lap and it was punching down at somebody who is dead and that the audience is also, you know, the Coliseum kind of gleefully cheering for this blood sport that we're now in. And I think this brings us to another issue that I constantly am wrestling with and contemplating is, And I think it's the thing that at the base of this is what really bothers people on the right and conservatives is that this is an asymmetrical culture war. We all know if a right wing comedian made that joke, it would be terrorism. 00:46:13 Speaker 11: It would be stochastic terrorism. That's what it would be called. 00:46:18 Speaker 12: And they would call it violence. And they would say that it was causing violence. you know, people to fear for their life and it would cause murders. 00:46:27 Speaker 11: We all know this. And I don't know. 00:46:30 Speaker 12: I see you going after Jillian Welch for what they laughing on their podcast about the jokes and about Charlie. And again, I think I think there is a great thread about the again, the asymmetry in advertising. 00:46:47 Speaker 2: All right, Bridget Phetasy and Graham Linehan. I am not Irish, so I can't say it nearly as beautifully as he can say his own name. But you two know each other, right? At some level, this is not like your first time? Okay, I want to make sure. 00:46:59 Speaker 11: Now we're friends. 00:47:01 Speaker 2: I love it. Graham, since we were talking about this urge, you're coming a little cold into the conversation, but you are a very accomplished sitcom writer in the UK. You got canceled yourself. I mean, you got arrested. 00:47:17 Speaker 7: Because you said, you said that if there was a man in a woman's, uh, restroom or locker room, Oh, Graham, why'd you get arrested? 00:47:25 Speaker 12: Yeah. 00:47:25 Speaker 2: Tell us the story. 00:47:27 Speaker 8: Yeah. I, I wrote a, I wrote a tweet, uh, in one of my many, uh, uh, outraged, uh, uh, raids on Twitter. Uh, just saying that any man who goes into a female only space is, uh, being abusive. And, uh, if a man like that enters your space, you should make a fuss. This is the list I would give my daughter. Make a fuss. If that fails, call the cops. And if that fails, kick him in the balls, you know? Or punch him in the balls, actually. There was a slight joke there in that I was talking about the height differential between men and women. But it was, yeah, but it was just, I mean, it could have been anything. It was just three tweets picked by an activist that felt or looked sort of violent, and they knew that they could report them. And the police in the UK, who are as thick as a telephone book, sorry, that's a very old reference. 00:48:26 Speaker 5: We know what you mean. 00:48:29 Speaker 8: But let's say a bank of servers with far less processing power. But the police in England are just, you know, very, very sort of herd-like and simple and they just do what these activists tell them to do you know so so yeah so that's what that's that was and this for me was only uh very later on and you know way after my cancellation since my cancellation it's just been a case of being harried by these transactions. 00:49:03 Speaker 2: This is why you have so much credibility speaking on this topic i i think it could backfire if if we handle a joke like Dave Chappelle. I don't even know if it was a joke. Honestly, like what's interesting about his routines now is he kind of just stands on stage and pontificates about stuff. It's, it's almost, it's, it's, it's a different, I don't know what you would call it. It doesn't even seem like a standup routine anymore. It's just sort of a routine. He's talking about his feelings about things. So Dave, You have a lot of credibility here. I don't want to cancel anybody necessarily. I don't want to be overly outraged. I don't want to give into the outrage mob. I don't want to police people's speech. But he said that my dear friend getting shot and assassinated is an innocent man makes him feel good. How did you interpret that? And what do you think the proper response is? 00:49:54 Speaker 8: Well, the first thing I did was I reacted in a very knee-jerk way. And I reposted it and I said, this is terrible or whatever. And then I realized that Dave Chappelle has a long history of luring his audience in with things that either sound outrageous and then he flips them so they're innocent or funny or sweet or they are funny and sweet and he flips them so they are outrageous. And so I'm kind of used to watching him play with an audience like that over the years. So I deleted the tweet thinking, uh, I'll wait and see. And I'm sure enough, uh, Bridget, it may have been you who pointed this out first to me, uh, but perhaps you can explain actually, uh, so I can turn over to you, Bridget, but, um, Perhaps you can explain what the sort of reasoning started to become. 00:50:52 Speaker 5: Quite soon after. 00:50:52 Speaker 12: Yeah, and again, I don't know if it's the reasoning because I haven't seen the full bit and I think it's hard to discuss these things completely out of context. We're dealing with just like a snippet of context, but he did... end up kind of tagging this long portion that we're all discussing with another portion that came out where he basically calls back to a joke that Tony Hinchcliffe made in the roast about George Floyd looking. 00:51:18 Speaker 11: Up at everybody at the roast and not. 00:51:20 Speaker 12: Being able to breathe or something along those lines. 00:51:29 Speaker 11: And so he mimicked that. 00:51:30 Speaker 12: And, you know, I think it's interesting because what we are talking about here are kind of two sides sacred cows. So the right did make, you know, Charlie a bit of a sacred cow in the aftermath. Rightfully, obviously, he's basically a martyr at this point. 00:51:50 Speaker 6: And.... 00:51:53 Speaker 11: And but then people also. 00:51:54 Speaker 12: Lost their jobs because they made jokes about him and it became this big. 00:52:00 Speaker 11: It became the sacred cow on the right. 00:52:02 Speaker 10: Yeah. 00:52:03 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:52:04 Speaker 12: Go ahead. 00:52:04 Speaker 2: Finish your thought. I just. 00:52:05 Speaker 12: And then George Floyd has been the sacred cow on the left where you could, you know, there are murals and you couldn't you couldn't make fun of him. And during 2020 and it was it was seen as like something that you couldn't touch this third rail. 00:52:19 Speaker 8: So if I may jump in again, it seems to me that if Charlie Kirk, sorry, if he was doing this and he was doing this possibly as a sort of a playing with the ideas of who both people were rather than the, well, actually, interestingly enough, he seems to be playing with the idea of who Charlie Kirk was, not the reality. And The reality of who. 00:52:53 Speaker 11: He's gone. 00:52:54 Speaker 2: I think he paused right at the wrong time. 00:52:56 Speaker 3: Dramatic comedic pause. 00:52:57 Speaker 11: Dramatic pause. We lost him. 00:53:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I would just say, you know, here's the thing. I keep coming back to this thought, Bridget, that like celebrating a man's assassination or, you know, it does seem like we have to have some line. I do think there is a line. 00:53:16 Speaker 5: I agree. 00:53:17 Speaker 2: And again, I'm not going to be outraged. 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And Bridget, tell us about it. 00:55:04 Speaker 11: Well, it's actually what we're talking about right now. 00:55:07 Speaker 12: You know, you kind of left before we went to the break saying there should be a line. And I would throw that question back to you asking who gets to be the arbiter of that line. We don't want it to be the left and or the government or the government. And also, I just I think adjudicating jokes is a cultural loser. 00:55:26 Speaker 11: We have literally seen that for a decade. 00:55:29 Speaker 12: We have lots of evidence that this is something that has happened in our culture. This process of trying to say you can't say this, you can't say that. And being the and being the pearl clutchers is is not going to win you culture wars. I think comedy is is actually upstream of culture. And that's why it's such a winner. So you, I think on the right, I have to ask yourselves, can you withstand a joke like this? Or are you going to turn into like a right wing Trigley puff? 00:56:00 Speaker 11: Because let me tell you, the left would like nothing more than for that to happen. 00:56:05 Speaker 2: Graham. 00:56:06 Speaker 5: Well, I, I, I, I, I. 00:56:09 Speaker 8: Agree with that to a very large extent. I think that the, the, um, thing that i've been the way i've been approaching this is more through uh a question of craft and and and uh and his his nerve you know whether his nerve is still up i did notice bridget that recently he's been making noises he said something bizarre about i never i never wanted to be part of the cruelty that the trump administration is doling out to trans people and it's like Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second. What are you talking about? You know, for the last three specials, you've been pulling apart the trans movement in such a way that it gave a lot of hope to people who thought they were going insane by everyone taking this stuff seriously. And then he came along and he just completely tore it apart in all specials. And then he seemed to apologize for it, you know? And I wonder whether there's a slight failure of nerve in that now he's doing material that is pandering to his audience rather than what he used to do, which was sort of fake pander, wrong foot the audience, and come back with something even more audacious and funny, you know? 00:57:32 Speaker 5: That's my only worry. 00:57:33 Speaker 12: I just wonder if you would also think he of all people would be concerned that people are being. 00:57:39 Speaker 11: Shot for their controversial views. 00:57:42 Speaker 12: Like you're feeding into something that will get comedians killed too. It's not that it's that's what I And I and I think conservatives kind of made a mistake thinking that a lot of these comics were conservative, that, you know, David Sachs had this clip that was going around where he said, oh, we made this mistake. 00:58:01 Speaker 11: We lost the podcast, bros. I'm like, you never had the podcast, bros. First of all. Comics are all whores. 00:58:08 Speaker 12: We're all this is like expecting loyalty from a prostitute. Also, these are people who are single issue voters who wanted to say retard. These are not people who are comfortable with the deportations. They're not people who have any idea about conservative values whatsoever. And I think that the right mistook the left wing comics of yore. the John Stewart's and whatnot, they were ideologues and they were down for their cause and they were loyal to that cause. 00:58:39 Speaker 11: And I think the right thought, oh, we have this parallel. 00:58:42 Speaker 12: You know, counterculture that we started and these comics are ours now. 00:58:48 Speaker 11: And these are not ideologues. These are people who are going to. 00:58:53 Speaker 12: Go, Wherever the wind blows, and it's kind of hard to tell whether they're like the chicken or the egg, are they the weather or are they the weather vane? I think it's a little bit of both, but I think the right has to really understand that. 00:59:10 Speaker 11: That aspect of this as well. 00:59:12 Speaker 8: I also think that there's some differentiation to be done between different types of comedy that people are doing on this matter. And I realize it's very painful to you guys and to Erica. And I know it's just. 00:59:30 Speaker 8: I've been disgusted every day since his death at a new aspect of it. But I do think that there's a difference between kids doing Halloween costumes. I've met Michael Malice and he tricked me into saying, yeah, I thought it was horrible. And Michael Malice said, you know, well, it's Halloween and they're kids, you know, and I kind of thought, actually, that's a good point. I remember when I was a kid, how sick jokes were used to as a sort of an escape valve. And they spread, even before the internet, sick jokes. 01:00:03 Speaker 5: About an incident spread so fast, lightning fast. 01:00:07 Speaker 8: Everybody in the world knew about them a few seconds after it happened. 01:00:12 Speaker 5: It's crazy without the internet. 01:00:14 Speaker 8: And now with the internet, you have an even worse problem of. 01:00:19 Speaker 5: What's the word, mimesis? Would that be the word? 01:00:22 Speaker 8: It's just people copying each other, you know? But But there should be some adults in the room who are able to take these things and make better use of them. And if Dave Chappelle really did this as a sort of clap back at another comedian, that's a bit meta for a joke that has such significance to performers and to other, you know, and to people who don't want to be killed for speaking out, you know? 01:00:51 Speaker 11: Speaking to the kids, you know, I think. 01:00:56 Speaker 8: humor. 01:00:56 Speaker 12: When we, when we ask ourselves, what is the role of comedy, which is another thing that I've spent, you know, my lifetime thinking about, but especially the past year. And it's not just a parasite that feeds on power. This tells me that Charlie is very powerful. You know, he still is powerful, even in death, that they're still all going after him. 01:01:15 Speaker 11: They have a holiday for him. 01:01:17 Speaker 12: This is a crazy amount of time and energy to be spending on him. And it shows me that his message is powerful. The churches have been full since he died. There's a lot of evidence that that people are listening to his message. 01:01:31 Speaker 11: On the other hand, it is it gives you. 01:01:34 Speaker 12: Relief right after the Epstein Island thing, there was this video game that the kids. 01:01:39 Speaker 11: Made that I don't know if you remember this. 01:01:41 Speaker 12: It was like escape from Epstein's Island and the teens were, they made this like janky video game and they were all playing this video game escape from, from Epstein's Island. 01:01:51 Speaker 11: So about this, I live in a time that's quite dark. 01:01:55 Speaker 12: And I think dark humor is something that people are using to try. 01:01:59 Speaker 11: To cope with that. 01:02:00 Speaker 12: A lot of kids are, saw that in real life and they have no, they saw it either in real life or they. 01:02:06 Speaker 11: Saw it online and couldn't escape the videos. 01:02:10 Speaker 12: And that, this is also, don't forget how humor is a coping mechanism for people, even if it's, even if it feels gross. And, you know, I don't think, I think it's a mistake to think like every single person wants all of us dead and is celebrating murder. Now that is true for some, but I think a lot of it is a coping mechanism too, for young people who really just don't have the prefrontal cortex to be able to make sense of this. 01:02:38 Speaker 8: I was thinking last night, but when Kennedy was killed, can you imagine Halloween like in. 01:02:44 Speaker 5: The internet age after the You know what I mean? 01:02:48 Speaker 8: I mean, it's like, it's, it's, but, but again, this, this goes no way to, to, to, to solving the pain of people who knew him and, and, and have to see this play out. 01:03:00 Speaker 5: But I think Bridget, Bridget is right. 01:03:03 Speaker 8: It's because he, he not only, he not only was an important cultural figure in life, but I think in death, he really did. He just went into the stratosphere. I think as soon as he died, people started actually looking at what he was saying. And then a lot of people realized that they were being lied about a really good person. But being lied to about a really good person. 01:03:25 Speaker 7: That's what I take the most solace in. If they're making jokes about Charlie, it is because his life mattered. And he spoke to so many millions of people. And if they're doing it years later, that only emphasizes that point. So, Bridget, because we're talking... Can we draw the line at all? Should anything be off limits? We were also discussing earlier with Frank Turek, we were talking about the I've Had It podcast where they're also joking about digging up Charlie and shooting him again. 01:03:55 Speaker 3: They're not a comedy podcast. They would say they're making a joke. 01:04:00 Speaker 7: Is there any difference between someone who's living as a comedian or if they're making sitcoms versus someone who's not doing that and they make an extremely over the line joke in our opinion? 01:04:12 Speaker 12: I mean, I think again, what we're talking about, and this is something that like my husband and I spend an inordinate amount of time talking about and. 01:04:19 Speaker 11: Not, and I don't have an answer. 01:04:21 Speaker 12: And this is when I really deeply miss guys like Charlie to be able to hash this out because there is, it is an asymmetrical culture war. So if, if, if Chappelle says something that. 01:04:36 Speaker 11: Is, you know, they can kind of excuse it. 01:04:39 Speaker 12: He is a good guy making a mistake and, If you're on the right wing, you're an evil person, and you are saying or doing something evil. And you see this even in advertising, and this is actually where I'm glad that you are going after this. I think, first of all, to answer your question, I think there's a different responsibility for journalists. Again, I think everyone in media is whores, so we all. 01:05:04 Speaker 11: Fall prey to this. 01:05:05 Speaker 12: But I do think that journalists have a different responsibility. 01:05:10 Speaker 5: Now. 01:05:11 Speaker 11: I also think being someone who's right coded now, it is much harder for me to get ads. 01:05:16 Speaker 12: And you can joke about killing Charlie Kirk and have better help as your advertiser. 01:05:22 Speaker 11: Like, I'm sorry, what? That's crazy. 01:05:26 Speaker 12: You should be fighting that asymmetrical difference in the culture. 01:05:32 Speaker 8: Yeah. 01:05:32 Speaker 2: And I think like, here's the thing. At some level, the culture will just sort of on the macro make their decision, right? You might have brands. I mean, you know, they're accusing me of coordinating this whole boycott of their show. I'm not. I haven't called any brands. I haven't gone into customer support. I haven't done anything. I just posted about it when brands severed ties with her. OK, that's that's my right to do that. I'm not I'm not trying to you know, the the market is speaking like that. People did this on their own. And I think there is Dave Chappelle is going to have this. As well, right? There are certain conservatives that will not support Dave Chappelle, I'm sure. And maybe liberals as well. They're just too grossed out by it. And he'll probably have a lot of people that want to talk to him and can't wait to hear what he's going to say next. His next show is probably, you know, every show for his probably books out and sells out. But the point is, you know, he's going to play his game. And I think morally we have to say, hey, joking about political assassinations, especially being close to it, I don't personally... like it. I was disappointed. I was pretty pissed and hurt. But I also don't want to play that game that Bridget is defining, where, like, who defines the line, who cancels who, whatever. And I do hold commentators, podcasters that are in politics, politicians, journalists to a different standard than I'm going to hold Dave Chappelle. I just do. Maybe I shouldn't. Send us an email, freedomofcharliekirk.com. I want to hear your thoughts. There's this other story here, though, guys, that's also going around. that is also crazy, and we haven't talked about it as much. I'm going to play the clip here and get your reaction. SOT17. 01:07:09 Speaker 13: We took the Rosenbergs and put them up against a wall and executed them for being traitors. And I realize this is an incendiary statement, but I'll make it and I believe it. I think Elon Musk is a traitor to the West. And I think what is even more dangerous is this zeitgeist within America that the idolatry of innovators and money has created a cloud cover such that traders to the West are not seen as traders to the West. That if this had happened in any other age where we were not obsessed with innovators and money, a much different reaction would be playing out to Elon Musk. 01:07:50 Speaker 2: So he's making the case to execute Elon Musk because he basically plugged a loophole in Starlink, that took seven to 10, 10 days. The standard for him is star shield is the military product, launch your drones with that through the Pentagon contract, but you can't do it through the commercial contract. That's Elon's position. Plugs the loophole seven to 10 days, drones get grounded. He doesn't bring up the fact that Ukraine would have collapsed anyways, if they didn't have Starlink. And if you didn't have this whole ecosystem of tech, you know, for the front lines, but regardless, this is why I think this is important because now you have Formerly, in my opinion, serious political commentators that are, you know, he's a professor. 01:08:33 Speaker 3: He's he's on the board of regents at the University of California. 01:08:36 Speaker 2: And he's talking like this. And Dave Chappelle's talking like this. And Jennifer Welch is talking like this. And then all of a sudden it's like, OK, where's the line? I don't know. I want to be on the team that doesn't advocate for political assassinations. This is why it's. 01:08:51 Speaker 11: An asymmetrical fight. You are fighting a death cult. 01:08:55 Speaker 12: They would like nothing more than for somebody like that to get assassinated so that they can all die. 01:09:00 Speaker 11: Be like, see, they're terrorists and Nazis, and this. 01:09:04 Speaker 12: Is, again, where I don't actually know. This is a big debate that happens on the right. 01:09:09 Speaker 11: I don't know. 01:09:10 Speaker 12: You know, you always hear, like, the new rules, we're going to toss out all of our principles. 01:09:15 Speaker 11: You will have, how do you fight. 01:09:18 Speaker 12: a side that will use your principles against you. And I, I, I actually don't know the answer to that. I would love to know what you guys think. 01:09:26 Speaker 11: I'm sure this has come up many times. 01:09:28 Speaker 8: Well, I just think that the left now are, are, uh, and the humor that the left employ is, uh, is, is, is a combination of two things. It's like, like, like, um, it's, I think first of all, it's, it's, it's very hacky, you know, it's like, uh, you know, digging up Charlie's or do it again. You know, it's not like, I mean, and also when you see them on that little clip, they're pretending to laugh. 01:09:57 Speaker 5: They do the thing that a lot of podcast. 01:09:59 Speaker 8: People do, which is they laugh as if they've, you know, they often know the information they're laughing about. 01:10:06 Speaker 5: And it's like, it's so fake and it's so awful, but it's also part of this thing, I think, which is, which is they're sort of like, as Bill Hicks used to say. 01:10:14 Speaker 8: They're throwing seeds, They're just hoping that someone will pick up on these messages that are coming through and do something about this traitor billionaire. That's what he's hoping to set someone off. He may not even know he's hoping to do that. But if it happens, if someone actually listens to that broadcast and went and killed Elon Musk, he would probably never know and he would be delighted about it. He would celebrate it and make jokes about it. So that's who the left are at the moment. I don't know if you saw the other video that this guy made where he said that he took a. 01:10:52 Speaker 2: He was mentally ill, though. 01:10:55 Speaker 11: I mean, this guy seems mentally unwell. You know, he seems. 01:11:00 Speaker 5: Yeah, he said true story. It's like I would have left a little bit of an outing. 01:11:05 Speaker 2: No, I was joking. Yeah, we call him the car crapper now. Blake coined the term. 01:11:11 Speaker 7: There's a better one we could use, but we have to be a PG podcast. 01:11:14 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's one with an S. 01:11:15 Speaker 11: I also think, I think it says a lot too that. 01:11:18 Speaker 5: They're insane. Bridget, you're absolutely right. They've gone mad. I think it's a thing there because when the left aren't in power. 01:11:28 Speaker 12: Because their world, they believe, they believe their worldview is correct. And your refusal to acknowledge that authority is an act of evil. That is like actually what I've learned and finally understood that I'm up against. 01:11:42 Speaker 11: And I don't know how to fight that. 01:11:44 Speaker 12: I do know that people that know their ideas are indispensable, often resort to violence. So seeing this kind of, violent rhetoric constantly coming from the left is also only telling me that their ideas are increasingly more and more indefensible. They're always projecting that we're, everybody else is the authoritarian. 01:12:05 Speaker 11: While they act exactly like that. 01:12:07 Speaker 12: And I have to keep saying to conservatives and right-wingers, don't. 01:12:12 Speaker 11: Take the bait. Like they're there. It is bait. You can't. 01:12:16 Speaker 12: And I know that that is, that is, um, That is becoming increasingly more of a godly effort. 01:12:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, especially for us that are so close to it. Of course. 01:12:31 Speaker 11: I cannot even imagine. I can't even imagine. 01:12:33 Speaker 2: There's definitely a part of me that wants to breathe fire and go after it. And this is why I will tell you I'm so encouraged by what the grassroots has done with the Jennifer Welch thing. They're telling us they're using their voice and their agency to do this. Again, I'm not doing it, but I'm happy they are. And if people want to do the same thing to Dave Chappelle, I'm not going to fight him. 01:12:59 Speaker 12: This is one area where I think conservatives are actually very powerful and the right wing. You guys all left Bud Light and never went back. I think they're still number three, even after years. And Target suffered. And I don't know that that I know people who still shop at Target. So I think that there is you. You have attention. People have attention. 01:13:22 Speaker 11: They can. That is the most. 01:13:23 Speaker 12: That is the most scarce resource in the world right now. 01:13:27 Speaker 11: Everybody's fighting for it. 01:13:28 Speaker 12: I also think the new culture war, the emerging culture war, is there isn't really a mainstream culture that people are reacting to. It's just so split and so many different cultures is that you either affect the discourse or you are affected by the discourse. And you have to project strength This is something I think Charlie was so good at. He knew when South Park came after Charlie, he laughed at it. He took it as a sign of his power and he projected calm and strength and rolling with the punches because he wanted people to entrust. He understood how to wield power. And I think you have to be calm and sturdy. And after all this year of years of chaos, the people who are not panicked, not bothered and, you know, passing this character test are, are going to be persuasive over time. That's my theory. I could be totally wrong and you're all going to laugh. 01:14:30 Speaker 2: But I love that. I love that. I love the humility that you approach it with. Cause you know, you know, it's just all different. It's one thing to be, you know, lampooned on South park. It's a whole nother thing to lampoon my friend when he's dead because he was murdered. And so it's just so much more severe. And I don't want to be a part of a culture that celebrates. Yeah, go ahead. 01:14:53 Speaker 11: Of course not. 01:14:54 Speaker 5: It's been asymmetric again. 01:14:58 Speaker 8: We get into trouble when we say there's two sexes. They get into trouble when they say they want to kill us. 01:15:05 Speaker 11: They don't get into trouble. 01:15:07 Speaker 7: In fact, they don't get into much trouble. And on top of that, they routinely are able to spin. Oh, saying there are two sexes is basically genocidal rhetoric, which in fact, is very plausibly what motivated Tyler Robinson to shoot Charlie. That they amp up this rhetoric of you holding a political opinion I disagree with is basically murder and justifies shooting it. Which is why all these left-wingers say it's okay to celebrate Charlie's death. That because he had political views they disagreed with. 01:15:34 Speaker 11: How do you fight it? What is the alternative? How do you guys fight it? 01:15:37 Speaker 2: You don't take the bait and you don't fall into the trap. I think that's right. But I think you state the moral truth. But I'm not here calling for the canceling of Dave Chappelle. You know, I'm going to make the moral line. I'm going to draw a moral line and a distinction. But I'm not, you know, I don't know. I think that's the best I've got today. But I think these are really powerful ideas. Bridget Phetasy, pre-order the Left Camp meme. It is on sale just today. And we have the artwork. It's the grand reveal of the artwork, if you could throw it up. And Grand Linehan, grandlinehan.substack.com. Check out his writings and his work there. They have come after him for saying offensive jokes, and so we have to be very careful about how we approach this topic. Bridget, Graham, thank you so much for the hour. God bless you both. 01:16:32 Speaker 3: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.